Jehovah’s Witnesses and Salvation

[placebofactor]

The Jehovah's Witnesses are taught to look to their organization for salvation rather than to Christ Jesus. Their salvation is elusive, works-oriented, and different for the two classes of believers.

See Watchtower, April 1, 1947, page 204: “To get one’s name written in the Book of Life will depend upon one’s works.” Is it any wonder they call themselves slaves in their Bible?

Therefore, every witness must ask themself if they’re good enough to enter Paradise. All their members fall into one of two categories.
1. Those who self-righteously assume that Jehovah will preserve them through Armageddon on account of their good works.
2. Those who know they are sinners unworthy of eternal life.

Those in the flesh cannot please Jehovah. The only ones not in the flesh, and therefore able to please Jehovah, are those who have received the spirit of sonship as fellow heirs with Christ: who would one day be glorified with him.”

Now, the Watchtower teaches that only 144,000 individuals throughout the centuries who receive God’s spirit will become joint heirs with Christ and will end up glorified with him in heaven.

So, it appears that the millions of Witnesses today have no chance of receiving the spirit. Those who are consigned as the “great crowd” of non-spirit-anointed followers to a position where they cannot please God, no matter how hard the work.

My advice: Don’t trust the Watchtower’s invitation to “Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation.” See Watchtower, November 15, 1981, page 21.

Jesus said, Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
John 6:37, “All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”

[historia]

Since their predecessors are the ones who put together the Bible in the first place, who are you to tell them how to interpret their own scriptures?

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So what you're calling "non-sequitur", is actually spot on.

Your lengthy replies didn't address who put together the Bible, which is the point we were discussing. That makes them, by definition, non-sequiturs.

What books do you consider to be part of Scripture?

In answer to your question, please visit The King of kings Bible for the complete list.

Ah, right, you're the guy with the Islamic-Arian-Nestorian syncretic religion, with what looks like a dose of Anglo-Israelism, and apparently the belief that the Star Wars films were "telepathically" revealed to George Lucas by "the Force."

To be honest, I'm not really into debating historical fan fiction.

[A Freeman]

Since their predecessors are the ones who put together the Bible in the first place, who are you to tell them how to interpret their own scriptures?

. . .

So what you're calling "non-sequitur", is actually spot on.

Your lengthy replies didn't address who put together the Bible, which is the point we were discussing. That makes them, by definition, non-sequiturs.

Perhaps that's how it seems to a human who sees everything upside down and backwards (and thus has no idea what is logical, much less what logically follows).

The Word/Holy Spirit put together the Bible, exactly as Scripture states:

2 Peter 1:19-21
1:19 We have also the more sure word of Prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye TAKE HEED, as unto a Light that shineth in a dark place, until the Day dawn, and the Morning Star (Rev. 30:16) arise in your hearts:
1:20 Knowing this first, that no Prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
1:21 For the Prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke [as they were] moved by the Holy Spirit.

And The Word/Holy Spirit is The Only One Who can break the "seals" on Scripture, also exactly as prophesied (Rev. 5:1-5).

But for humans, who lack the facility for spiritual sight, they see only human institutions, and foolishly place their trust in them and their fellow humans rather than in our all-powerful Creator Who sent His Message, as it says in the Message (Scripture) itself. And, in placing their trust in human leadership, they do err (Isa. 3:12).

What books do you consider to be part of Scripture?

In answer to your question, please visit The King of kings Bible for the complete list.

Ah, right, you're the guy with the Islamic-Arian-Nestorian syncretic religion, with what looks like a dose of Anglo-Israelism, and apparently the belief that the Star Wars films were "telepathically" revealed to George Lucas by "the Force."

The Old Covenant/Testament is NOT a "Jewish" creation, nor does it belong to the "Jews". Similarly, the New Covenant/Testament is NOT a "Christian" creation, nor is the Bible, nor do either belong to the "Christians". The same is true of the Koran/Quran, which is NOT an "Islamic" creation, nor does it belong to the "Muslims".

But humans, who have no idea of what truth is, seek to label that which they do not understand, so they can continue to ignore it (and thus remain ignorant) while beating down the strawman arguments they invent.

There is NOTHING "Islamic", nor "Arian", nor "Nestorian" about the King of kings' Bible. There is only Truth, which is a foreign language to those who have been trained by the institutions and traditions of men to believe in lies.

ALL organized religion was created by Satan, through the egos of men, to keep people AWAY from God. And that goes for ALL of their rabbis, priests, pastors, and imams, etc.

Hence the reason ALL organized religion is about to be destroyed.

To be honest, I'm not really into debating historical fan fiction.

One must first know and have a healthy fear of Father (God) to have the wisdom to know the difference between honesty/truth and fiction/lies, before they are in a position to share anything of value with anyone else.

Psalms 111:10 The fear of the "I AM" [is] the beginning of Wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do [His Commandments]: His praise endureth for ever.

[onewithhim]

Dear onewithhim,

Thank you for your correction my misunderstanding of your doctrine. Please help me to understand the exact nature of his "divinity", if you indeed do believe in his divine nature.

Can you explain why the Angels of God worship him?

Jesus is indeed "divine," but not God. To be "divine" one is of, from, or like God or a god. (The Illustrated Oxford Dictionary) Jesus is of God, and he is from God, and he is like God. He doesn't have to BE God to be divine.

If you have been following these threads at all, you may have encountered a discussion about the meaning of "worship." It usually means giving homage and respect to an individual. People have "worshipped" men of high political standing, or a judge, showing them respect, by perhaps bowing or even standing up in a court of law when the judge enters. Jesus deserves to be treated like he is an important person, given worship in this sense. He is worshipped, but not as God Almighty. Only the Father is worshipped as the one true God.

[onewithhim]

Dear onewithhim,

Thank you for your correction my misunderstanding of your doctrine. Please help me to understand the exact nature of his "divinity", if you indeed do believe in his divine nature.

Can you explain why the Angels of God worship him?

Jesus is indeed "divine," but not God. To be "divine" one is of, from, or like God or a god. (The Illustrated Oxford Dictionary) Jesus is of God, and he is from God, and he is like God. He doesn't have to BE God to be divine.

If you have been following these threads at all, you may have encountered a discussion about the meaning of "worship." It usually means giving homage and respect to an individual. People have "worshipped" men of high political standing, or a judge, showing them respect, by perhaps bowing or even standing up in a court of law when the judge enters. Jesus deserves to be treated like he is an important person, given worship in this sense. He is worshipped, but not as God Almighty. Only the Father is worshipped as the one true God.

[placebofactor]

Dear onewithhim,

Thank you for your correction my misunderstanding of your doctrine. Please help me to understand the exact nature of his "divinity", if you indeed do believe in his divine nature.

Can you explain why the Angels of God worship him?

Jesus is indeed "divine," but not God. To be "divine" one is of, from, or like God or a god. (The Illustrated Oxford Dictionary) Jesus is of God, and he is from God, and he is like God. He doesn't have to BE God to be divine.

If you have been following these threads at all, you may have encountered a discussion about the meaning of "worship." It usually means giving homage and respect to an individual. People have "worshipped" men of high political standing, or a judge, showing them respect, by perhaps bowing or even standing up in a court of law when the judge enters. Jesus deserves to be treated like he is an important person, given worship in this sense. He is worshipped, but not as God Almighty. Only the Father is worshipped as the one true God.

He who created the heaven and the earth is God. Even the N.W.T. states that Jesus created all "other" things, Colossians 1:16. And if he created "all other things," he must be Jehovah of Genesis 1:1, "God created the heaven and the earth." The heaven and the earth are all other things. You can't have it both ways.

[onewithhim]

Dear onewithhim,

Thank you for your correction my misunderstanding of your doctrine. Please help me to understand the exact nature of his "divinity", if you indeed do believe in his divine nature.

Can you explain why the Angels of God worship him?

Jesus is indeed "divine," but not God. To be "divine" one is of, from, or like God or a god. (The Illustrated Oxford Dictionary) Jesus is of God, and he is from God, and he is like God. He doesn't have to BE God to be divine.

If you have been following these threads at all, you may have encountered a discussion about the meaning of "worship." It usually means giving homage and respect to an individual. People have "worshipped" men of high political standing, or a judge, showing them respect, by perhaps bowing or even standing up in a court of law when the judge enters. Jesus deserves to be treated like he is an important person, given worship in this sense. He is worshipped, but not as God Almighty. Only the Father is worshipped as the one true God.

He who created the heaven and the earth is God. Even the N.W.T. states that Jesus created all "other" things, Colossians 1:16. And if he created "all other things," he must be Jehovah of Genesis 1:1, "God created the heaven and the earth." The heaven and the earth are all other things. You can't have it both ways.

God created all things through Jesus. It was God's power that he gave to Jesus to do the creating. Jesus couldn't have done anything without the Father's own power and authority, which was allotted to him by the Father.