Jehovah’s Witnesses and Salvation

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The Jehovah's Witnesses are taught to look to their organization for salvation rather than to Christ Jesus. Their salvation is elusive, works-oriented, and different for the two classes of believers.

See Watchtower, April 1, 1947, page 204: “To get one’s name written in the Book of Life will depend upon one’s works.” Is it any wonder they call themselves slaves in their Bible?

Therefore, every witness must ask themself if they’re good enough to enter Paradise. All their members fall into one of two categories.
1. Those who self-righteously assume that Jehovah will preserve them through Armageddon on account of their good works.
2. Those who know they are sinners unworthy of eternal life.

Those in the flesh cannot please Jehovah. The only ones not in the flesh, and therefore able to please Jehovah, are those who have received the spirit of sonship as fellow heirs with Christ: who would one day be glorified with him.”

Now, the Watchtower teaches that only 144,000 individuals throughout the centuries who receive God’s spirit will become joint heirs with Christ and will end up glorified with him in heaven.

So, it appears that the millions of Witnesses today have no chance of receiving the spirit. Those who are consigned as the “great crowd” of non-spirit-anointed followers to a position where they cannot please God, no matter how hard the work.

My advice: Don’t trust the Watchtower’s invitation to “Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation.” See Watchtower, November 15, 1981, page 21.

Jesus said, Matthew 11:28, “Come unto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
John 6:37, “All that the Father gives me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”

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The only way someone could believe that Jesus is/was God is if they don't believe the testimony Jesus gave.

No, they just interpret the testimony Jesus gave differently than you.

[onewithhim]

Dear JW’s,

My, My you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and claim that he is not God the Son but just a mere mortal like the rest of us……..

So here are some your claims:

A mere mortal man can atone for the sins of others.

This discussion cannot go any further for me because you insist on spreading lies. We NEVER said that Jesus was a "mere mortal man." Please pay attention before you go and cast aspersions.

[A Freeman]

The only way someone could believe that Jesus is/was God is if they don't believe the testimony Jesus gave.

No, they just interpret the testimony Jesus gave differently than you.

Yes, their interpretations prevent them from accepting the truth Jesus spoke, just like their predecessors.

King of kings' Bible - John 8:32-36 (KJV John 8:41-45)
8:32 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God.
8:33 Jesus said unto them, IF God WERE your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent me.
8:34 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my Word.
8:35 Ye are of [YOUR] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father (inventor) of it.
8:36 And because I tell [you] the Truth, ye believe me not.

[historia]

The only way someone could believe that Jesus is/was God is if they don't believe the testimony Jesus gave.

No, they just interpret the testimony Jesus gave differently than you.

Yes, their interpretations prevent them from accepting the truth Jesus spoke, just like their predecessors.

Since their predecessors are the ones who put together the Bible in the first place, who are you to tell them how to interpret their own scriptures?

[A Freeman]

The only way someone could believe that Jesus is/was God is if they don't believe the testimony Jesus gave.

No, they just interpret the testimony Jesus gave differently than you.

Yes, their interpretations prevent them from accepting the truth Jesus spoke, just like their predecessors.

Since their predecessors are the ones who put together the Bible in the first place, who are you to tell them how to interpret their own scriptures?

Their satanic predecessors most certainly did NOT put together the Bible in the first place. They were literally called out as the descendants of those who murdered the Prophets, both in parable form and face-to-face.

Matthew 21:33-46
21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
21:34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent His servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
21:35 And the husbandmen took His servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
21:36 Again, He sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
21:37 But last of all He sent unto them His son, saying, They will respect my Son.
21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the Son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
21:39 And they caught him, and cast [him] out of the vineyard, and slew [him].
21:40 When the Lord therefore of the Vineyard cometh, what will He do unto those husbandmen?
21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out [His] vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render Him the fruits in their seasons.
21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The Stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the Head of the Corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof (the "10 lost tribes" - the "House of Israel").
21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this Stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
21:45 And when the chief priests and politicians had heard his parables, they perceived that he spoke about them.
21:46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a Prophet.

Matthew 23:29-33
23:29 Woe unto you, lawyers (scribes) and politicians (pharisees), hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the Prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the Prophets.
23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the Prophets.
23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell-fire?

[Revelations won]

Dear JW’s,

My, My you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and claim that he is not God the Son but just a mere mortal like the rest of us……..

So here are some your claims:

A mere mortal man can atone for the sins of others.

Adam was the first perfect man.

Mere mortal men can receive ALL that the father hath.

Mere mortal men can receive all power in heaven and earth.

Mere mortal men are given power to judge all other mortals,

All mortal men are given an everlasting kingdom.


I might ask the following:

Who will all these mortal men be ruling over?

What other things might they accomplish?

What else will they do?

What is the purpose of them receiving a mansion if they are just single individuals?

Can you explain in clear detail what will be the relationship of all men and women be on each or in heaven?

[onewithhim]

Dear JW’s,

My, My you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ and claim that he is not God the Son but just a mere mortal like the rest of us……..

So here are some your claims:

A mere mortal man can atone for the sins of others.

Adam was the first perfect man.

Mere mortal men can receive ALL that the father hath.

Mere mortal men can receive all power in heaven and earth.

Mere mortal men are given power to judge all other mortals,

All mortal men are given an everlasting kingdom.


I might ask the following:

Who will all these mortal men be ruling over?

What other things might they accomplish?

What else will they do?

What is the purpose of them receiving a mansion if they are just single individuals?

Can you explain in clear detail what will be the relationship of all men and women be on each or in heaven?

You are WAY off base. JWs do not believe what you just posted. Jesus was not just a mere mortal man.

[Revelations won]

Dear onewithhim,

Thank you for your correction my misunderstanding of your doctrine. Please help me to understand the exact nature of his "divinity", if you indeed do believe in his divine nature.

Can you explain why the Angels of God worship him?

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Since their predecessors are the ones who put together the Bible in the first place, who are you to tell them how to interpret their own scriptures?

Their satanic predecessors most certainly did NOT put together the Bible in the first place. They were literally called out as the descendants of those who murdered the Prophets, both in parable form and face-to-face.

Matthew 21:33-46

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21:45 And when the chief priests and politicians had heard his parables, they perceived that he spoke about them.

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Matthew 23:29-33

23:29 Woe unto you, lawyers (scribes) and politicians (pharisees), hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the Prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

The Jewish chief priests, scribes, and Pharisees are not the ones who put together the Christian Bible, so that argument was nothing but a non sequitur.

What books do you consider to be part of Scripture? And how did you personally decide which books should be included and which ones shouldn't?

[A Freeman]

Since their predecessors are the ones who put together the Bible in the first place, who are you to tell them how to interpret their own scriptures?

Their satanic predecessors most certainly did NOT put together the Bible in the first place. They were literally called out as the descendants of those who murdered the Prophets, both in parable form and face-to-face.

Matthew 21:33-46

. . .

21:45 And when the chief priests and politicians had heard his parables, they perceived that he spoke about them.

. . .

Matthew 23:29-33

23:29 Woe unto you, lawyers (scribes) and politicians (pharisees), hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the Prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

The Jewish chief priests, scribes, and Pharisees are not the ones who put together the Christian Bible, so that argument was nothing but a non sequitur.
2000 years ago, the Sanhedrin was the ruling body of the organized religion of that time: Talmudic Judaism. They were the spiritually blind leading the blind according to Christ, and yet they not only thought they knew more than Christ, but that they were in a position to judge Christ.

And what did these blind leaders do? They conspired with the Roman government to murder Jesus. The same Roman government that 300 years later transformed into the Roman Catholic church (RCC).

The RCC claims Peter served in Rome in the capacity of pope from 41-66 A.D. (some historians differ on these dates, but not on the location) and that the papacy allegedly derives its authority by apostolic succession from Peter, whom they falsely claim is buried under St. Peter’s Basilica. But even a cursory examination of the Scriptures (The Rock-solid Truth) proves this is a complete fabrication.

Matthew 10:5-6
10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the “House of Israel”.

Are we to believe that Peter directly disobeyed The Master (Christ-Jesus) and went to Gentile Rome anyway?

Galatians 2:7-9
2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;
2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Peter’s Assignment: Circumcision = Jews (Jerusalem, Joppa, etc.)
Paul’s Assignment: Uncircumcision = Gentiles (e.g. Rome)

In the letter to the Romans we are told that those assignments would NOT be intermingled.

Romans 15:20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was known about, lest I should build upon another man’s foundation.

That same letter goes on to send greetings and salutations to no less than 28 people who were in Rome at the very time Peter was supposedly pope (Rom. 16:1-15), and yet it never mentions Peter, which would be very strange and extremely rude if Peter had actually been there. It would also have been completely unnecessary to send a letter to instruct the community in Rome if Peter had been there leading them at that time.

Clearly Peter wasn’t in Rome. He was exactly where he was supposed to be: in Jerusalem and the surrounding area. In fact Peter died (of old age, NOT on a satanic inverted cross – John 21:17-19) in Jerusalem and was buried there, where his tomb was discovered in 1953 at a Franciscan monastery site called “Dominus Flevit“.

The first pope of the Roman Catholic Church was not until the 4th century A.D., when the Roman Emperor Constantine took the title “bishop of bishops” for himself. He presided over the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. in that capacity, which is when and where the “Creed of Nicaea”, now known as the “Nicene Creed” was incorporated, which introduced the concept of the pagan "trinity" into Christianity, mixing it together with the true teachings of Christ.

The entire “apostolic succession” from Peter through to Constantine was then fabricated and back-filled to try to legitimize the church’s worldly authority. ALL based on LIES, because Simon Peter was NEVER in Rome.

So what you're calling "non-sequitur", is actually spot on. Anyone who is turning to the leadership of the Roman Catholic church for answers, when we have been warned about ALL of the leaders of church and state for over 3000 years (e.g. Isa. 3:12) and considering the RCC's helped predecessors murdered Jesus, is again choosing to place their trust in the spiritually blind leading the blind. And where did Jesus warn us the blind would lead the blind? Into the Pit, i.e. THE FIRE.

What books do you consider to be part of Scripture?

In answer to your question, please visit The King of kings Bible for the complete list.

And how did you personally decide which books should be included and which ones shouldn't?

As above please. From the King of kings' Bible, compiled and corrected by the King of kings (Rev. 19:11-16), exactly as prophesied (Dan. 12:1-4; Rev. 5:1-5; Rev. 10:6-10).