Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[onewithhim]

I answered that in my last posting above. You went right by that and asked the same question again. The earth will be brought back to its pristine condition after the beginning of the thousand year reign of Christ. No need for its destruction. It will be like new. 2Peter is symbolic, meaning that the wickedness in the earth will be [revealed. That is one definition of "lyo." A footnote in the NASB says that it means "discovered" in two early manuscripts. So "destroyed" is not necessarily the meaning Peter meant to convey. All the evil will be shown clearly and will be done away with. Not the earth and universe, but the ungodly PEOPLE. (Chapter 3 verse 7.)

It's interesting that at Psalm 46:6 it speaks of the earth "melting." This happened long ago when God was backing up his people in an altercation. It says: "The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted."(KJV) Is this literal? I guess not. The earth is still here. The same can be said for Peter's passage about the earth being burnt up. It's not literal.

The Orthodox Study Bible says this about 2Peter 3:13: "Not other heavens and earth, but the same ones transfigured for the better. For a beautiful prophetic description of the new heaven and earth, see Isaiah 65:17-25; Revelation 21,22."

You always quote paraphrase translations that used words other than the original Bible words in Hebrew or Greek that would quite misled the reader. You cannot find the Bible root words and its meaning in thought for thought translations.
ABP render 2 Peter 3:12 with Strong#G2741 of the word "being destroyed by fire" can never be a symbolic text, in Greek "καυσόω kausoō" as it means burn up, to suffer with feverish burning etc.
And the next text mentioned the new heavens and a new earth.

The Orthodox Study Bible (OSB) is a translation of the Bible that's based on a literal translation of the original Greek, but it's not a word-for-word translation. Translations are interpretations, and Christians often read multiple versions of the Bible to understand a passage. https://www.google.com/search?q=is+orth ... e&ie=UTF-8

2Pe 3:12 expecting G4328  and G2532  hastening G4692  the G3588  arrival G3952  of the G3588 G3588  day of God, G2316 G2250  by G1223  which G3739  the heavens G3772  being set on fire G4448  shall be loosed, G3089  and G2532  the elements G4747  being destroyed by fire G2741  shall melt away? G5080 

G2741 (Thayer)
καυσόω kausoō
Thayer Definition:
1) to burn up, set fire to
2) to suffer with feverish burning, be parched with fever

2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

You criticize whatever Bible I use, and I refer to many, including the NASB which I could be wrong, but I believe you said you prefer. The new heavens and new earth will be these same heavens and earth but just cleaned up and put back to the original state. There is no reason at all for the entire universe to be destroyed. Can you agree to that?

No, not universe, universe is huge, only earth and heavens which the Bible mentioned being destroyed defined by lexicon.

Thayer's definition leaves something to be desired. Talk about BIAS. I have already commented on the phrase "destroyed by fire." Some mss. say "revealed" or "discovered." That is quite different than "destroyed."

Deny Thayer? I'll give Mounce. Strong#G2741 defined as to be on fire, burn intensely.
καυσόω
kausoō
2x: to be on fire, burn intensely

The Orthodox Study Bible nails it: "the new heavens and new earth are the same ones, just transfigured for the better." That's it in a nutshell.

This what I've said that paraphrase translations used words other than the original Bible words. But yes, the same "burnt earth and heavens" that God said I'll make all things new.

You accuse me of always using paraphrased versions, but that is not true. Neither the KJV or the NASB are paraphrased, and neither are the New American Bible, the Revised Standard Version, the American Standard Version, and many others. Most Bible versions are not "paraphrased" versions. An example of a paraphrased version would be the Living Bible.

Yes, but to this response you used the "Orthodox Study Bible" a paraphrase translation.

It is not considered a paraphrased translation.

The link provide another description of the OSB, but didn't you accused that KJV, NKJV and others followed the Vulgate? Now you go with it.

It doesn't matter if the KJV followed the Vulgate. We are talking about paraphrasing. The KJV doesn't paraphrase. It tries to stick to the earliest sentence structure, be it the Vulgate or something else. You yourself follow paraphrased versions.

Good, so John 1:1 in KJV is the truth. As you say, it doesn't paraphrase, you can dig to its original Bible words in Hebrew and Greek.

onewithhim answers:
No. We are talking about paraphrasing, not about whether it's the truth or not. The KJV didn't paraphrase, the translators simply got a word wrong in this verse.

I noticed that OSB rendering of 2 Pet 3:13 is a bit different from known word for word translations.
OSB's "the same ones" wording did not exist in Greek and in Strong Concordance. See below.

(ASV) But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
(ESV) But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
(TS2009) But according to His promise we wait for a renewed heavens and a renewed earth Isa 65:17, Isa 66:22 in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB) But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB+) But according G2596  to His  R1 promise G1862  we are looking G4328  for G4328 R2 new G2537  heavens G3772  and a new G2537  earth G1093 ,  R3 in which G3739  righteousness G1343  dwells G2730 .

We weren't lastly discussing 2Peter 3:13; we were talking about John 1:1. Also, what is "OSB"?

Anyway, your reference to TS2009 shows that the earth will be renewed, not a completely different earth. That is what I have been saying. Now you include in your lists the pronouncement that it will be a renewed earth, thus showing that our earth will not be destroyed.

[Capbook]

You always quote paraphrase translations that used words other than the original Bible words in Hebrew or Greek that would quite misled the reader. You cannot find the Bible root words and its meaning in thought for thought translations.
ABP render 2 Peter 3:12 with Strong#G2741 of the word "being destroyed by fire" can never be a symbolic text, in Greek "καυσόω kausoō" as it means burn up, to suffer with feverish burning etc.
And the next text mentioned the new heavens and a new earth.

The Orthodox Study Bible (OSB) is a translation of the Bible that's based on a literal translation of the original Greek, but it's not a word-for-word translation. Translations are interpretations, and Christians often read multiple versions of the Bible to understand a passage. https://www.google.com/search?q=is+orth ... e&ie=UTF-8

2Pe 3:12 expecting G4328  and G2532  hastening G4692  the G3588  arrival G3952  of the G3588 G3588  day of God, G2316 G2250  by G1223  which G3739  the heavens G3772  being set on fire G4448  shall be loosed, G3089  and G2532  the elements G4747  being destroyed by fire G2741  shall melt away? G5080 

G2741 (Thayer)
καυσόω kausoō
Thayer Definition:
1) to burn up, set fire to
2) to suffer with feverish burning, be parched with fever

2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

You criticize whatever Bible I use, and I refer to many, including the NASB which I could be wrong, but I believe you said you prefer. The new heavens and new earth will be these same heavens and earth but just cleaned up and put back to the original state. There is no reason at all for the entire universe to be destroyed. Can you agree to that?

No, not universe, universe is huge, only earth and heavens which the Bible mentioned being destroyed defined by lexicon.

Thayer's definition leaves something to be desired. Talk about BIAS. I have already commented on the phrase "destroyed by fire." Some mss. say "revealed" or "discovered." That is quite different than "destroyed."

Deny Thayer? I'll give Mounce. Strong#G2741 defined as to be on fire, burn intensely.
καυσόω
kausoō
2x: to be on fire, burn intensely

The Orthodox Study Bible nails it: "the new heavens and new earth are the same ones, just transfigured for the better." That's it in a nutshell.

This what I've said that paraphrase translations used words other than the original Bible words. But yes, the same "burnt earth and heavens" that God said I'll make all things new.

You accuse me of always using paraphrased versions, but that is not true. Neither the KJV or the NASB are paraphrased, and neither are the New American Bible, the Revised Standard Version, the American Standard Version, and many others. Most Bible versions are not "paraphrased" versions. An example of a paraphrased version would be the Living Bible.

Yes, but to this response you used the "Orthodox Study Bible" a paraphrase translation.

It is not considered a paraphrased translation.

The link provide another description of the OSB, but didn't you accused that KJV, NKJV and others followed the Vulgate? Now you go with it.

It doesn't matter if the KJV followed the Vulgate. We are talking about paraphrasing. The KJV doesn't paraphrase. It tries to stick to the earliest sentence structure, be it the Vulgate or something else. You yourself follow paraphrased versions.

Good, so John 1:1 in KJV is the truth. As you say, it doesn't paraphrase, you can dig to its original Bible words in Hebrew and Greek.

onewithhim answers:
No. We are talking about paraphrasing, not about whether it's the truth or not. The KJV didn't paraphrase, the translators simply got a word wrong in this verse.

I noticed that OSB rendering of 2 Pet 3:13 is a bit different from known word for word translations.
OSB's "the same ones" wording did not exist in Greek and in Strong Concordance. See below.

(ASV) But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
(ESV) But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
(TS2009) But according to His promise we wait for a renewed heavens and a renewed earth Isa 65:17, Isa 66:22 in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB) But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB+) But according G2596  to His  R1 promise G1862  we are looking G4328  for G4328 R2 new G2537  heavens G3772  and a new G2537  earth G1093 ,  R3 in which G3739  righteousness G1343  dwells G2730 .

We weren't lastly discussing 2Peter 3:13; we were talking about John 1:1. Also, what is "OSB"?

Anyway, your reference to TS2009 shows that the earth will be renewed, not a completely different earth. That is what I have been saying. Now you include in your lists the pronouncement that it will be a renewed earth, thus showing that our earth will not be destroyed.

Then what verse were you referring to what I colored blue above?
Yes, at least there is the root word "new" in renewed, but "transfigured" was never a Bible word even in lexicon definition.

[onewithhim]

No, not universe, universe is huge, only earth and heavens which the Bible mentioned being destroyed defined by lexicon.

Deny Thayer? I'll give Mounce. Strong#G2741 defined as to be on fire, burn intensely.
καυσόω
kausoō
2x: to be on fire, burn intensely
This what I've said that paraphrase translations used words other than the original Bible words. But yes, the same "burnt earth and heavens" that God said I'll make all things new.

Yes, but to this response you used the "Orthodox Study Bible" a paraphrase translation.

It is not considered a paraphrased translation.

The link provide another description of the OSB, but didn't you accused that KJV, NKJV and others followed the Vulgate? Now you go with it.

It doesn't matter if the KJV followed the Vulgate. We are talking about paraphrasing. The KJV doesn't paraphrase. It tries to stick to the earliest sentence structure, be it the Vulgate or something else. You yourself follow paraphrased versions.

Good, so John 1:1 in KJV is the truth. As you say, it doesn't paraphrase, you can dig to its original Bible words in Hebrew and Greek.

onewithhim answers:
No. We are talking about paraphrasing, not about whether it's the truth or not. The KJV didn't paraphrase, the translators simply got a word wrong in this verse.

I noticed that OSB rendering of 2 Pet 3:13 is a bit different from known word for word translations.
OSB's "the same ones" wording did not exist in Greek and in Strong Concordance. See below.

(ASV) But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
(ESV) But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
(TS2009) But according to His promise we wait for a renewed heavens and a renewed earth Isa 65:17, Isa 66:22 in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB) But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB+) But according G2596  to His  R1 promise G1862  we are looking G4328  for G4328 R2 new G2537  heavens G3772  and a new G2537  earth G1093 ,  R3 in which G3739  righteousness G1343  dwells G2730 .

We weren't lastly discussing 2Peter 3:13; we were talking about John 1:1. Also, what is "OSB"?

Anyway, your reference to TS2009 shows that the earth will be renewed, not a completely different earth. That is what I have been saying. Now you include in your lists the pronouncement that it will be a renewed earth, thus showing that our earth will not be destroyed.

Then what verse were you referring to what I colored blue above?
Yes, at least there is the root word "new" in renewed, but "transfigured" was never a Bible word even in lexicon definition.

I don't remember where we were discussing something "transfigured." And we were talking about John 1:1. You changed the discussion suddenly to something about 2Peter 3:13. You are all over the place.

[Capbook]

It is not considered a paraphrased translation.

The link provide another description of the OSB, but didn't you accused that KJV, NKJV and others followed the Vulgate? Now you go with it.

It doesn't matter if the KJV followed the Vulgate. We are talking about paraphrasing. The KJV doesn't paraphrase. It tries to stick to the earliest sentence structure, be it the Vulgate or something else. You yourself follow paraphrased versions.

Good, so John 1:1 in KJV is the truth. As you say, it doesn't paraphrase, you can dig to its original Bible words in Hebrew and Greek.

onewithhim answers:
No. We are talking about paraphrasing, not about whether it's the truth or not. The KJV didn't paraphrase, the translators simply got a word wrong in this verse.

I noticed that OSB rendering of 2 Pet 3:13 is a bit different from known word for word translations.
OSB's "the same ones" wording did not exist in Greek and in Strong Concordance. See below.

(ASV) But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
(ESV) But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
(TS2009) But according to His promise we wait for a renewed heavens and a renewed earth Isa 65:17, Isa 66:22 in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB) But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB+) But according G2596  to His  R1 promise G1862  we are looking G4328  for G4328 R2 new G2537  heavens G3772  and a new G2537  earth G1093 ,  R3 in which G3739  righteousness G1343  dwells G2730 .

We weren't lastly discussing 2Peter 3:13; we were talking about John 1:1. Also, what is "OSB"?

Anyway, your reference to TS2009 shows that the earth will be renewed, not a completely different earth. That is what I have been saying. Now you include in your lists the pronouncement that it will be a renewed earth, thus showing that our earth will not be destroyed.

Then what verse were you referring to what I colored blue above?
Yes, at least there is the root word "new" in renewed, but "transfigured" was never a Bible word even in lexicon definition.

I don't remember where we were discussing something "transfigured." And we were talking about John 1:1. You changed the discussion suddenly to something about 2Peter 3:13. You are all over the place.

Reread your Post#3311, and on my reply in Post#3312, I colored it blue. Your post dated Sat Mar 08, 2025 1:58 am. You did quote OSB, it says, "The Orthodox Study Bible nails it: "the new heavens and new earth are the same ones, just transfigured for the better." That's it in a nutshell." Can you remember it now?

[onewithhim]

It is not considered a paraphrased translation.

The link provide another description of the OSB, but didn't you accused that KJV, NKJV and others followed the Vulgate? Now you go with it.

It doesn't matter if the KJV followed the Vulgate. We are talking about paraphrasing. The KJV doesn't paraphrase. It tries to stick to the earliest sentence structure, be it the Vulgate or something else. You yourself follow paraphrased versions.

Good, so John 1:1 in KJV is the truth. As you say, it doesn't paraphrase, you can dig to its original Bible words in Hebrew and Greek.

onewithhim answers:
No. We are talking about paraphrasing, not about whether it's the truth or not. The KJV didn't paraphrase, the translators simply got a word wrong in this verse.

I noticed that OSB rendering of 2 Pet 3:13 is a bit different from known word for word translations.
OSB's "the same ones" wording did not exist in Greek and in Strong Concordance. See below.

(ASV) But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
(ESV) But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
(TS2009) But according to His promise we wait for a renewed heavens and a renewed earth Isa 65:17, Isa 66:22 in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB) But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB+) But according G2596  to His  R1 promise G1862  we are looking G4328  for G4328 R2 new G2537  heavens G3772  and a new G2537  earth G1093 ,  R3 in which G3739  righteousness G1343  dwells G2730 .

We weren't lastly discussing 2Peter 3:13; we were talking about John 1:1. Also, what is "OSB"?

Anyway, your reference to TS2009 shows that the earth will be renewed, not a completely different earth. That is what I have been saying. Now you include in your lists the pronouncement that it will be a renewed earth, thus showing that our earth will not be destroyed.

Then what verse were you referring to what I colored blue above?
Yes, at least there is the root word "new" in renewed, but "transfigured" was never a Bible word even in lexicon definition.

I don't remember where we were discussing something "transfigured." And we were talking about John 1:1. You changed the discussion suddenly to something about 2Peter 3:13. You are all over the place.

Reread your Post#3311, and on my reply in Post#3312, I colored it blue. Your post dated Sat Mar 08, 2025 1:58 am. You did quote OSB, it says, "The Orthodox Study Bible nails it: "the new heavens and new earth are the same ones, just transfigured for the better." That's it in a nutshell." Can you remember it now?

Oh yes. Thank you. "Transfigured" simply means something is "changed in form or appearance; so as to elevate or idealize." According to my Oxford Dictionary. This is what the earth will undergo. Changed and elevated to what it needs to be according to God's original purpose. Not an entirely new planet.

[Capbook]

The link provide another description of the OSB, but didn't you accused that KJV, NKJV and others followed the Vulgate? Now you go with it.

It doesn't matter if the KJV followed the Vulgate. We are talking about paraphrasing. The KJV doesn't paraphrase. It tries to stick to the earliest sentence structure, be it the Vulgate or something else. You yourself follow paraphrased versions.

Good, so John 1:1 in KJV is the truth. As you say, it doesn't paraphrase, you can dig to its original Bible words in Hebrew and Greek.

onewithhim answers:
No. We are talking about paraphrasing, not about whether it's the truth or not. The KJV didn't paraphrase, the translators simply got a word wrong in this verse.

I noticed that OSB rendering of 2 Pet 3:13 is a bit different from known word for word translations.
OSB's "the same ones" wording did not exist in Greek and in Strong Concordance. See below.

(ASV) But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
(ESV) But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
(TS2009) But according to His promise we wait for a renewed heavens and a renewed earth Isa 65:17, Isa 66:22 in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB) But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB+) But according G2596  to His  R1 promise G1862  we are looking G4328  for G4328 R2 new G2537  heavens G3772  and a new G2537  earth G1093 ,  R3 in which G3739  righteousness G1343  dwells G2730 .

We weren't lastly discussing 2Peter 3:13; we were talking about John 1:1. Also, what is "OSB"?

Anyway, your reference to TS2009 shows that the earth will be renewed, not a completely different earth. That is what I have been saying. Now you include in your lists the pronouncement that it will be a renewed earth, thus showing that our earth will not be destroyed.

Then what verse were you referring to what I colored blue above?
Yes, at least there is the root word "new" in renewed, but "transfigured" was never a Bible word even in lexicon definition.

I don't remember where we were discussing something "transfigured." And we were talking about John 1:1. You changed the discussion suddenly to something about 2Peter 3:13. You are all over the place.

Reread your Post#3311, and on my reply in Post#3312, I colored it blue. Your post dated Sat Mar 08, 2025 1:58 am. You did quote OSB, it says, "The Orthodox Study Bible nails it: "the new heavens and new earth are the same ones, just transfigured for the better." That's it in a nutshell." Can you remember it now?

Oh yes. Thank you. "Transfigured" simply means something is "changed in form or appearance; so as to elevate or idealize." According to my Oxford Dictionary. This is what the earth will undergo. Changed and elevated to what it needs to be according to God's original purpose. Not an entirely new planet.

And as I've said not a Bible word, a term not being used in the original languages.

[onewithhim]

It doesn't matter if the KJV followed the Vulgate. We are talking about paraphrasing. The KJV doesn't paraphrase. It tries to stick to the earliest sentence structure, be it the Vulgate or something else. You yourself follow paraphrased versions.

Good, so John 1:1 in KJV is the truth. As you say, it doesn't paraphrase, you can dig to its original Bible words in Hebrew and Greek.

onewithhim answers:
No. We are talking about paraphrasing, not about whether it's the truth or not. The KJV didn't paraphrase, the translators simply got a word wrong in this verse.

I noticed that OSB rendering of 2 Pet 3:13 is a bit different from known word for word translations.
OSB's "the same ones" wording did not exist in Greek and in Strong Concordance. See below.

(ASV) But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
(ESV) But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
(TS2009) But according to His promise we wait for a renewed heavens and a renewed earth Isa 65:17, Isa 66:22 in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB) But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB+) But according G2596  to His  R1 promise G1862  we are looking G4328  for G4328 R2 new G2537  heavens G3772  and a new G2537  earth G1093 ,  R3 in which G3739  righteousness G1343  dwells G2730 .

We weren't lastly discussing 2Peter 3:13; we were talking about John 1:1. Also, what is "OSB"?

Anyway, your reference to TS2009 shows that the earth will be renewed, not a completely different earth. That is what I have been saying. Now you include in your lists the pronouncement that it will be a renewed earth, thus showing that our earth will not be destroyed.

Then what verse were you referring to what I colored blue above?
Yes, at least there is the root word "new" in renewed, but "transfigured" was never a Bible word even in lexicon definition.

I don't remember where we were discussing something "transfigured." And we were talking about John 1:1. You changed the discussion suddenly to something about 2Peter 3:13. You are all over the place.

Reread your Post#3311, and on my reply in Post#3312, I colored it blue. Your post dated Sat Mar 08, 2025 1:58 am. You did quote OSB, it says, "The Orthodox Study Bible nails it: "the new heavens and new earth are the same ones, just transfigured for the better." That's it in a nutshell." Can you remember it now?

Oh yes. Thank you. "Transfigured" simply means something is "changed in form or appearance; so as to elevate or idealize." According to my Oxford Dictionary. This is what the earth will undergo. Changed and elevated to what it needs to be according to God's original purpose. Not an entirely new planet.

And as I've said not a Bible word, a term not being used in the original languages.

It means the same thing as what the subject has brought out. Transfigured means changed in appearance so as to elevate. That is what will happen to the earth. It will just be changed from a sick planet to one that is a garden, like the Garden of Eden. No need to destroy it or the rest of the universe.

[Capbook]

Good, so John 1:1 in KJV is the truth. As you say, it doesn't paraphrase, you can dig to its original Bible words in Hebrew and Greek.

onewithhim answers:
No. We are talking about paraphrasing, not about whether it's the truth or not. The KJV didn't paraphrase, the translators simply got a word wrong in this verse.

I noticed that OSB rendering of 2 Pet 3:13 is a bit different from known word for word translations.
OSB's "the same ones" wording did not exist in Greek and in Strong Concordance. See below.

(ASV) But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
(ESV) But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
(TS2009) But according to His promise we wait for a renewed heavens and a renewed earth Isa 65:17, Isa 66:22 in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB) But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB+) But according G2596  to His  R1 promise G1862  we are looking G4328  for G4328 R2 new G2537  heavens G3772  and a new G2537  earth G1093 ,  R3 in which G3739  righteousness G1343  dwells G2730 .

We weren't lastly discussing 2Peter 3:13; we were talking about John 1:1. Also, what is "OSB"?

Anyway, your reference to TS2009 shows that the earth will be renewed, not a completely different earth. That is what I have been saying. Now you include in your lists the pronouncement that it will be a renewed earth, thus showing that our earth will not be destroyed.

Then what verse were you referring to what I colored blue above?
Yes, at least there is the root word "new" in renewed, but "transfigured" was never a Bible word even in lexicon definition.

I don't remember where we were discussing something "transfigured." And we were talking about John 1:1. You changed the discussion suddenly to something about 2Peter 3:13. You are all over the place.

Reread your Post#3311, and on my reply in Post#3312, I colored it blue. Your post dated Sat Mar 08, 2025 1:58 am. You did quote OSB, it says, "The Orthodox Study Bible nails it: "the new heavens and new earth are the same ones, just transfigured for the better." That's it in a nutshell." Can you remember it now?

Oh yes. Thank you. "Transfigured" simply means something is "changed in form or appearance; so as to elevate or idealize." According to my Oxford Dictionary. This is what the earth will undergo. Changed and elevated to what it needs to be according to God's original purpose. Not an entirely new planet.

And as I've said not a Bible word, a term not being used in the original languages.

It means the same thing as what the subject has brought out. Transfigured means changed in appearance so as to elevate. That is what will happen to the earth. It will just be changed from a sick planet to one that is a garden, like the Garden of Eden. No need to destroy it or the rest of the universe.

That is my point, when you base your interpretation of Bible words to paraphrase translations, we will be misled. Most word for word translations used the word "new" never is "transfigured".
If we understand the definition of it below, it would be "from beautiful to more beautiful," no mention of "from sick planet" as what you explain.


trans·fig·ure
/ˌtran(t)sˈfiɡ(y)ər/
verb
past tense: transfigured; past participle: transfigured
transform into something more beautiful or elevated.
"the world is made luminous and is transfigured"

[onewithhim]

onewithhim answers:
No. We are talking about paraphrasing, not about whether it's the truth or not. The KJV didn't paraphrase, the translators simply got a word wrong in this verse.

I noticed that OSB rendering of 2 Pet 3:13 is a bit different from known word for word translations.
OSB's "the same ones" wording did not exist in Greek and in Strong Concordance. See below.

(ASV) But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
(ESV) But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
(TS2009) But according to His promise we wait for a renewed heavens and a renewed earth Isa 65:17, Isa 66:22 in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB) But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
(NASB+) But according G2596  to His  R1 promise G1862  we are looking G4328  for G4328 R2 new G2537  heavens G3772  and a new G2537  earth G1093 ,  R3 in which G3739  righteousness G1343  dwells G2730 .

We weren't lastly discussing 2Peter 3:13; we were talking about John 1:1. Also, what is "OSB"?

Anyway, your reference to TS2009 shows that the earth will be renewed, not a completely different earth. That is what I have been saying. Now you include in your lists the pronouncement that it will be a renewed earth, thus showing that our earth will not be destroyed.

Then what verse were you referring to what I colored blue above?
Yes, at least there is the root word "new" in renewed, but "transfigured" was never a Bible word even in lexicon definition.

I don't remember where we were discussing something "transfigured." And we were talking about John 1:1. You changed the discussion suddenly to something about 2Peter 3:13. You are all over the place.

Reread your Post#3311, and on my reply in Post#3312, I colored it blue. Your post dated Sat Mar 08, 2025 1:58 am. You did quote OSB, it says, "The Orthodox Study Bible nails it: "the new heavens and new earth are the same ones, just transfigured for the better." That's it in a nutshell." Can you remember it now?

Oh yes. Thank you. "Transfigured" simply means something is "changed in form or appearance; so as to elevate or idealize." According to my Oxford Dictionary. This is what the earth will undergo. Changed and elevated to what it needs to be according to God's original purpose. Not an entirely new planet.

And as I've said not a Bible word, a term not being used in the original languages.

It means the same thing as what the subject has brought out. Transfigured means changed in appearance so as to elevate. That is what will happen to the earth. It will just be changed from a sick planet to one that is a garden, like the Garden of Eden. No need to destroy it or the rest of the universe.

That is my point, when you base your interpretation of Bible words to paraphrase translations, we will be misled. Most word for word translations used the word "new" never is "transfigured".
If we understand the definition of it below, it would be "from beautiful to more beautiful," no mention of "from sick planet" as what you explain.


trans·fig·ure
/ˌtran(t)sˈfiɡ(y)ər/
verb
past tense: transfigured; past participle: transfigured
transform into something more beautiful or elevated.
"the world is made luminous and is transfigured"

"Transfigured" is used by one Bible version (not NWT), and it is meaningful. That is what the earth will become after Armageddon.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #3319]

You use the word "transfigured" yourself in your lexicon that you posted. You said that it means to make "more beautiful." That is what I've been saying.