"Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak."

[Athetotheist]

What are we to make of this?




Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 24:35)

"He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Fathers who sent Me."
(John 14:24)

[The Barbarian]

Just as 4 years of fake Trump/Russian collusion reports proved false, the stories about Haitians eating pets may also prove to be false. [/b]

You might not know that Mueller took down a good number of people for their crimes in the Russiagate conspiracy. Would you like me to show you?

On the other hand, there is no evidence whatever for the stories that Donald Trump and his underlings were peddling about immigrants eating pets. Do you honestly think the police are lying, and that Donald Trump was not lying? Seriously?

Mueller never looked into the Seth Rich assassination

The 27-year-old Rich was an employee of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), and his murder spawned several right-wing conspiracy theories,[1][4] including the false claim, contradicted by the law enforcement branches that investigated the murder, that Rich had been involved with the leaked DNC emails in 2016.[5][6] It was also contradicted by the July 2018 indictment of 12 Russian military intelligence agents for hacking the e-mail accounts and networks of Democratic Party officials[7] and by the U.S. intelligence community's conclusion the leaked DNC emails were part of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich

Rich was not a suspect in the Russian collusion case, nor did any evidence appear to show that he was involved.

However
The full list of Mueller indictments and plea deals
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got
a 14-day sentence.
2) Paul Manafort, Trumps former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Muellers team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his
finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in
September 2018 (though Muellers team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them). He was sentenced to a combined seven and a half years in
prison.
3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manaforts longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a
plea deal with Muellers team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge. He was sentenced to 45 days in prison and 3 years of probation.
4) Michael Flynn, Trumps former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.
5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian
propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a "Russian troll farm," and two
other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agencys employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.
21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller. He
was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 6 months of home detention in October 2018.
22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in
Ukraine. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail and has completed his sentence.
23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, whos currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct
justice by tampering with witnesses in Manaforts pending case last year.
24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russias military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democratsemails in 2016.
36) Michael Cohen: In August 2018, Trumps former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance
violations related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump, as part of a separate investigation in New York (that Mueller had handed off). But in
November, he made a plea deal with Mueller too, for lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.
37) Roger Stone: In January 2019, Mueller indicted longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone on 7 counts. He accused Stone of lying to the House Intelligence Committee about his
efforts to get in touch with WikiLeaks during the campaign, and tampering with a witness who could have debunked his story. He was convicted on all counts after a November 2019
trial.
Finally, there is one other person Mueller initially investigated, but handed over to others in the Justice Department to charge: Sam Patten. This Republican operative and lobbyist
pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00 ... -SD942.pdf

Mueller was a paid puppet in the corrupt democrat party's effort to destroy Trump with blatant lies.[/b]

He was appointed by Trump's FBI director. And as you see, he nailed a very large number of criminals in the Trump campaign or the Trump administration. Mueller admitted that he didn't indict Trump because the Justice Department policy was to not indict a sitting president. He did pretty well at rooting out a lot of criminals colluding with Russia, didn't he?

Trump pardoned a good number of those who might have had criminal information on him.

[marke]

Just as 4 years of fake Trump/Russian collusion reports proved false, the stories about Haitians eating pets may also prove to be false. [/b]

You might not know that Mueller took down a good number of people for their crimes in the Russiagate conspiracy. Would you like me to show you?

On the other hand, there is no evidence whatever for the stories that Donald Trump and his underlings were peddling about immigrants eating pets. Do you honestly think the police are lying, and that Donald Trump was not lying? Seriously?

Mueller never looked into the Seth Rich assassination

The 27-year-old Rich was an employee of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), and his murder spawned several right-wing conspiracy theories,[1][4] including the false claim, contradicted by the law enforcement branches that investigated the murder, that Rich had been involved with the leaked DNC emails in 2016.[5][6] It was also contradicted by the July 2018 indictment of 12 Russian military intelligence agents for hacking the e-mail accounts and networks of Democratic Party officials[7] and by the U.S. intelligence community's conclusion the leaked DNC emails were part of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich

Rich was not a suspect in the Russian collusion case, nor did any evidence appear to show that he was involved.

Marke: Julian Assange implicated Seth Rich in the transfer of DNC emails to WikiLeaks. Mueller never found any other likely source of the transfer. The responsible Crowdstrike official also testified that the stolen DNC emails were likely stolen from inside the DNC, not elsewhere, and that is where Seth Rich worked. Mueller did not investigate Seth Rich and that was likely because the DNC had Rich murdered for transferring the emails to Wikileaks.

[The Barbarian]

Julian Assange implicated Seth Rich in the transfer of DNC emails to WikiLeaks. Mueller never found any other likely source of the transfer. The responsible Crowdstrike official also testified that the stolen DNC emails were likely stolen from inside the DNC, not elsewhere, and that is where Seth Rich worked. Mueller did not investigate Seth Rich and that was likely because the DNC had Rich murdered for transferring the emails to Wikileaks.[/b]

Well, let's take a look...

"Guccifer" leak of DNC Trump research has a Russians fingerprints on it
Evidence left behind shows leaker spoke Russian and had affinity for Soviet era.
https://arstechnica.com/information-tec ... nts-on-it/

In the wee hours of June 14, the Washington Post revealed that "Russian government hackers" had penetrated the computer network of the Democratic National Committee. Foreign spies, the Post claimed, had gained access to the DNCs entire database of opposition research on the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump, just weeks before the Republican Convention.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/all-sig ... -dnc-hack/

Trump Admits His Son Met With Russian Lawyer To Get Dirt On Clinton
https://www.wgbh.org/news/national/2018 ... on-clinton

Spy Agency Consensus Grows That Russia Hacked D.N.C.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/p ... d-dnc.html

Techniques used by state-backed Russian hackers to interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections were apparently inexpensive, experts told CNBC, highlighting the ease at which a foreign government was able to meddle in a Western democracy.

The report released by special counsel Robert Mueller lays out how Russian trolls used social media to try to influence the outcome of the election in which Donald Trump was made president and outlines the way in which hackers stole documents from the campaign of Hillary Clinton.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/23/mueller ... nsive.html

No point in denying the facts. Trump's own National Security Advisor finally admitted that he had lied to the FBI about his communication with Russian agents.

Why do you think Trump is calling Zelensky a dictator and claiming that Ukraine started the war? Whatever Putin has on Trump, it's enough to make him obedient.

And now, moving back to the topic a bit...

Reports Claim Starving Russian Troops are Eating Stray Animals
Since the start of the invasion of Ukraine, so many people have been helping animals cross the borders for safety. Now another massive effort to rescue Ukrainian pets is underway amid reports that Russian soldiers are eating dogs, rabbits, and cats.

Reports claim that starving Russian troops are resorting to eating these animals. Russian soldiers have been starving and struggling to find food for weeks.
https://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsa ... y-animals/

[marke]

Julian Assange implicated Seth Rich in the transfer of DNC emails to WikiLeaks. Mueller never found any other likely source of the transfer. The responsible Crowdstrike official also testified that the stolen DNC emails were likely stolen from inside the DNC, not elsewhere, and that is where Seth Rich worked. Mueller did not investigate Seth Rich and that was likely because the DNC had Rich murdered for transferring the emails to Wikileaks.[/b]

Well, let's take a look...

"Guccifer" leak of DNC Trump research has a Russians fingerprints on it
Evidence left behind shows leaker spoke Russian and had affinity for Soviet era.
https://arstechnica.com/information-tec ... nts-on-it/

Marke: Guccifer 1 was real. He was caught, arrested and served jail time. Guccifer 2 was a fake, invented a day after Wikileaks exposed Hillary's dirty secrets. Guccifer 2 was never foiund, never identified, never arrested, and never jailed because he did not exist.

In the wee hours of June 14, the Washington Post revealed that "Russian government hackers" had penetrated the computer network of the Democratic National Committee. Foreign spies, the Post claimed, had gained access to the DNCs entire database of opposition research on the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump, just weeks before the Republican Convention.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/all-sig ... -dnc-hack/

Marke: The problem with the lying Guccifer 2 democrat narrative is that every witness questioned by the House testified that the DNC emails were not stolen by outside hackers but by insiders within the DNC on US soil.

Trump Admits His Son Met With Russian Lawyer To Get Dirt On Clinton
https://www.wgbh.org/news/national/2018 ... on-clinton

Marke: The fake Russian spy who arranged to meet with Trump Jr. was a woman whom Obama arranged to bring into the US from Russia and whom met with DNC operatives before and after her brief meeting with Trump Jr. before he threw her out of the room as clearly being a democrat plant.

Spy Agency Consensus Grows That Russia Hacked D.N.C.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/p ... d-dnc.html

Techniques used by state-backed Russian hackers to interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections were apparently inexpensive, experts told CNBC, highlighting the ease at which a foreign government was able to meddle in a Western democracy.


Marke: Democrat liars, like John Brennan, falsely claimed Russia hacked the US election, which was total nonsense and was roundly exposed as a lie in further investigations.

The report released by special counsel Robert Mueller lays out how Russian trolls used social media to try to influence the outcome of the election in which Donald Trump was made president and outlines the way in which hackers stole documents from the campaign of Hillary Clinton.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/23/mueller ... nsive.html

Marke: Mueller was working for the DNC insiders and he never proved any Russians did anything at all to influence the 2016 election.

No point in denying the facts. Trump's own National Security Advisor finally admitted that he had lied to the FBI about his communication with Russian agents.

Why do you think Trump is calling Zelensky a dictator and claiming that Ukraine started the war? Whatever Putin has on Trump, it's enough to make him obedient.

Marke: Democrats falsely charged Flynn with crimes he did not commit and forced him to admit certain things that were not true by threatening to destroy his family if he failed to go along with their claims. Further review exposed the whole scheme to have been a seditious lie fabricated by wicked democrats seeking to undermine President Trump and the duly elected government voted into office in November, 2016. I can provide extensive documention of every claim I made in this post.

[The Barbarian]

Democrats falsely charged Flynn with crimes he did not commit and forced him to admit certain things that were not true by threatening to destroy his family if he failed to go along with their claims.

Nope. Robert Mueller (a republican) caught him in the lie, and charged him with it. Flynn, faced with the evidence, pleaded guilty. They even have transcripts of one of the calls.
The extraordinary decision to release transcripts of Flynns calls with a foreign countrys ambassador, a closely guarded secret for more than three years, is part of an ongoing Trump administration effort to disclose information from the Russia investigation in hopes of painting Obama-era officials in a bad light and suggesting they acted improperly.

The transcripts of calls with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador at the time, provide opportunities for partisans on both sides to advance their perspectives of the investigation.

They appear to show, as prosecutors have alleged, that Flynn urged Kislyak to refrain from escalating tensions with the U.S. in response to newly imposed sanctions against Russia. Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about that call.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/r ... n-diplomat

I can provide extensive documention of every claim I made in this post. [/b]

I guess now would be a good time. What do you have?

[marke]

Democrats falsely charged Flynn with crimes he did not commit and forced him to admit certain things that were not true by threatening to destroy his family if he failed to go along with their claims.

Nope. Robert Mueller (a republican) caught him in the lie, and charged him with it. Flynn, faced with the evidence, pleaded guilty. They even have transcripts of one of the calls.
The extraordinary decision to release transcripts of Flynns calls with a foreign countrys ambassador, a closely guarded secret for more than three years, is part of an ongoing Trump administration effort to disclose information from the Russia investigation in hopes of painting Obama-era officials in a bad light and suggesting they acted improperly.

The transcripts of calls with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador at the time, provide opportunities for partisans on both sides to advance their perspectives of the investigation.

They appear to show, as prosecutors have alleged, that Flynn urged Kislyak to refrain from escalating tensions with the U.S. in response to newly imposed sanctions against Russia. Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about that call.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/r ... n-diplomat

I can provide extensive documention of every claim I made in this post. [/b]

I guess now would be a good time. What do you have?

Marke: General Flynn was railroaded by corrupt democrat officials who then refused to dismiss the charges against him after being ordered by court to do so.

[The Barbarian]

I can provide extensive documention of every claim I made in this post. [/b]

I guess now would be a good time. What do you have?
[/quote]

General Flynn was railroaded by corrupt democrat officials who then refused to dismiss the charges against him after being ordered by court to do so.

Not very much, is it? This is why Flynn's admission of guilt was accepted by the court, and why Trump had to pardon him to keep Flynn from talking about the nature of the collusion for which he became a felon.

[marke]

I can provide extensive documention of every claim I made in this post. [/b]

I guess now would be a good time. What do you have?

Marke:



Judge delays dropping Michael Flynn's criminal case
A federal appeals court this week ordered the criminal case against Michael Flynn to be dropped. But U.S. district judge Emmet Sullivan has yet to dismiss the case. CBS News correspondent Catherine Herridge joined CBSN to discuss.

General Flynn was railroaded by corrupt democrat officials who then refused to dismiss the charges against him after being ordered by court to do so.

Not very much, is it? This is why Flynn's admission of guilt was accepted by the court, and why Trump had to pardon him to keep Flynn from talking about the nature of the collusion for which he became a felon.
[/quote]

Marke: Comey admitted he transgressed protocol (i.., broke the law) after the 2016 election by sending 2 FBI agents to interview Flynn with the secret intention of finding some crime to charge him with. That whole setup was a despicable miscarriage of justice - no, rather it was a deliberate perversion of justice and was clearly a weaponization of the Justice Department in order to attack incoming President Trump. Thank God a new sheriff is in toiwn who will not stoop to such low despicable 3rd world banana republic tactics of unjustly or criminally attacking their political enemies.

Here are irrefutable facts:

https://www.cato.org/blog/two-things-ne ... flynn-case

Ive been reading, writing, and tweeting about the Michael Flynn prosecution quite a bit lately, and Ive been getting significant feedback from people who strongly dislike Flynn and think hes about to get away with committing a serious crime due to sinister political machinations behind the scenes. As explained in this post, I take no strong position on Flynns character or whether he did or did not commit any crimesmost Americans have, so hed be in good company. But I think many in the "lock him up" crowd are making two fundamental errors that are in urgent need of correction.

Those errors, which turn out to be inextricably intertwined, are: (1) Flynn is plainly guilty of lying to FBI agents, so the attorney generals motives in dropping the case against him must necessarily be suspect; and (2) given the character of the defendant and the alleged crime, the Flynn case must necessarily be a poor vehicle for spotlighting the pernicious role of coercive plea bargaining in our criminal justice systemas Pulitzer-Prize-winning columnist George Will did yesterday. As explained below, these errors are momentous, and they have been embraced by many influential bloggers, law professors, and other opinion leaders who help shape public perceptions about the legal system. I hope some of them will see this post and read it in the spirit of good will with which it is offered.

The first pointthat the decision to drop the Flynn prosecution must necessarily have been made for crass political reasonsappears to be based on an incomplete understanding of the evolving fact record together with uncharacteristic confidence in the integrity of a coerced plea. The essential facts are these:

Michael Flynn was charged with making false statements to FBI agents during a January 24, 2017 interview at his White House office regarding conversations Flynn had had in the preceding weeks with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. (Flynn was also charged with making false statements in connection with certain filings under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, but Ill put that to one side for now; among other things, Flynn never pleaded guilty to those crimes, and DOJs attempt to prosecute another high-profile figure, Gregory Craig, for similar violations failed miserably and would likely have failed against Flynn as well.)

Represented by lawyers from the large D.C. law firm Covington & Burling (who it now appears had a serious conflict of interest), Flynn initially asserted his innocence. Crucially, Flynns attorneys pressed the prosecutors from the Special Counsels Office to turn over the memorandum of interview or "302" prepared by the agents who questioned him regarding his communications with Kislyak. Throughout November 2017, SCO prosecutors repeatedly rebuffed those requests even as they ratcheted up the pressure on Flynn to plead guilty in exchange for a recommendation of no jail time. But Flynn continued to maintain his innocence, and his attorneys continued pressing for production of the 302 and other discoverywhich the government continued to withhold.

It has been reported, credibly in my judgment, that the stalemate was brought to a head when the SCO leaked to certain reporters that a guilty plea from Flynn would ensure that Flynns son, who was under investigation as Flynn seniors business partner (and also happened to be the father of Flynn seniors four-month-old grandchild) would not be prosecuted. This is the sort of despicable tactic one associates with tyrants and dictators; but to our infinite discredit, it appears to have become a routine feature of American prosecutions as well.

In any event, we do know that something caused Flynn to suddenly change his mind in late November of 2017 and agree to plead guilty to a single charge of lying to FBI agents. He signed a "statement of the offense" to that effect (along with the alleged FARA violations) on November 30, and appeared in court to enter his guilty pleaon the charge of lying to FBI agents onlythe next day, December 1, 2017.

Notably, despite having pleaded guilty more than two years ago, Flynn has not yet been formally convicted of that crime because the conviction does not technically happen until the sentence is pronounced. And for various reasons, that has not happened yet.

Last year, Flynn changed lawyers and filed a motion to withdraw his guilty plea, partly on the basis that SCO prosecutors improperly withheld from him evidence that should have been produced during the plea discussions in November 2017including that 302 form.

Why is the 302 such a big deal? Simply put, because it now appears the two FBI agents who conducted the interview with Flynn on which the subsequent false-statements charge was predicated at first reported to their superiors that they did not think Flynn had been deceitful during the interview and that any inaccurate responses to their questions were the result of a memory lapse, not a deliberate attempt to deceive. If that turns out to be true, then it seems plausible, indeed likely, that that sentiment is reflected in the still-missing original 302 that the SCO would have been obliged to produce during plea negotiations in November 2017. Among other things, the timely production of such a document to Flynn would not only have strengthened his resolve to continue fighting the charges against him, it would likely have made it all but impossible to convict him of those charges since intent to deceive is an element of the false-statements crime and must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury.

[The Barbarian]

Bottom line? Flynn had meetings with Russian agents, and then lied to the FBI about it. He consulted with his lawyer and confessed to the crime.

His appeals failed, and ultimately his unindicted co-conspirator had to pardon him.

And all you have is denial. And the long rambling defense of his conduct that you've presented here, essentially asks us to believe that he "forgot" that he was secretly meeting with Russian agents while serving as National Security Advisor.

The courts are not lying. Our intelligence agencies did not lie. The FBI did not lie. Flynn lied. He tried to cover it up, and eventually admitted his guilt. And that's why he's a convicted felon.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #46]

General Flynn was railroaded by corrupt democrat officials who then refused to dismiss the charges against him after being ordered by court to do so.

So you agree that no one should be allowed to defy court orders. That's good to know.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ ... t-optional