JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[Capbook]

To all respondents,

One can go on and on ad infinitum with the philosophies of man and still remain ignorant of the things of God.

As the scripture states “ For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him.Even so the things of God knowerth no man, but the spirit of God”

The mission of the holy Ghost is according to scripture is to teach us “all things pertaining to godliness.”

The JW’s deny the holy Ghost which is to teach us all things pertaining to godliness. Since they deny the ongoing revelations, they are left to To themselves to wallow in a vain effort to explain the things of God by their own deductive reasoning and “private interpretation” of the scriptures.

We do not deny the Holy Spirit. Far from it. It is Jehovah's breath, His power that extends to all things to keep them running. JWs have the privilege of being guided by the Holy Spirit. It is guiding the organization of Jesus' heavenly Kingdom on Earth today, getting ready for the end of Satan's system of things.
Yes, I believe you deny the Holy Spirit as a person, whom has emotion, will and reason.
Whom can speak, teach, reveals the future, reproves, distribute gifts, etc.

Can a thing be addressed as "he or him?"
No, in standard English, a "thing" (an inanimate object) should not be addressed as "he" or "him".
https://www.google.com/search?q=can+a+t ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jhn 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world can’t receive; for it doesn’t see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.

Well, it IS addressed as "he" or "him." It is the same as what we see in other languages, Spanish, German, and others. Inanimate objects are referred to as "he" or "she." A lamp post is "he," a vase is "she." Try learning one of those languages and you will see what I mean. In the Scriptures Wisdom is said to be "she." Another inanimate object. "Say to wisdom'You are my sister,' and call understanding your intimate friend." (Proverbs 7:4, NASB)

Having said that, I ask---How can a person be "in" another person? It doesn't happen. The Holy Spirit is inanimate and exists as God's own breath and power. That is how Holy Spirit is "in" someone.

Maybe we are not of the same definition of person. Maybe you define it just in physical body.
But many Christians had agreed that we as person have the capacity to reason, will and have emotion.
Animals can see things but they cannot see the beauty of such thing.
Same as us, we are finite being cannot grasp God's infinite power. His ways are always higher than ours, like the Holy Spirit as God has the power to dwell on many believers, that's power, you and I cannot fathom.

Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Yes, that is true. And for the Holy Spirit to dwell at the same time "on many believers," it cannot be a Person. A Person can not be divided into millions of pieces. It is more rational to accept the fact that the H.S. is God's own breath and His power that extends from Him. The Spirit is said to reason and have emotions because this Spirit is God's own thoughts that He expresses through His Holy Spirit.

To underestimate the power of God is not rational, you define Him in your finite mind.
If He is the breath, force and power of the Father, He is owned and one with the Father but why He is separately mention in Mat 28:19 and 2 Cor 13:14?
Do you mention your own breath, force or power and introduce separately to your friend?

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

[onewithhim]

To all respondents,

One can go on and on ad infinitum with the philosophies of man and still remain ignorant of the things of God.

As the scripture states “ For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him.Even so the things of God knowerth no man, but the spirit of God”

The mission of the holy Ghost is according to scripture is to teach us “all things pertaining to godliness.”

The JW’s deny the holy Ghost which is to teach us all things pertaining to godliness. Since they deny the ongoing revelations, they are left to To themselves to wallow in a vain effort to explain the things of God by their own deductive reasoning and “private interpretation” of the scriptures.

We do not deny the Holy Spirit. Far from it. It is Jehovah's breath, His power that extends to all things to keep them running. JWs have the privilege of being guided by the Holy Spirit. It is guiding the organization of Jesus' heavenly Kingdom on Earth today, getting ready for the end of Satan's system of things.
Yes, I believe you deny the Holy Spirit as a person, whom has emotion, will and reason.
Whom can speak, teach, reveals the future, reproves, distribute gifts, etc.

Can a thing be addressed as "he or him?"
No, in standard English, a "thing" (an inanimate object) should not be addressed as "he" or "him".
https://www.google.com/search?q=can+a+t ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jhn 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world can’t receive; for it doesn’t see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.

Well, it IS addressed as "he" or "him." It is the same as what we see in other languages, Spanish, German, and others. Inanimate objects are referred to as "he" or "she." A lamp post is "he," a vase is "she." Try learning one of those languages and you will see what I mean. In the Scriptures Wisdom is said to be "she." Another inanimate object. "Say to wisdom'You are my sister,' and call understanding your intimate friend." (Proverbs 7:4, NASB)

Having said that, I ask---How can a person be "in" another person? It doesn't happen. The Holy Spirit is inanimate and exists as God's own breath and power. That is how Holy Spirit is "in" someone.

Maybe we are not of the same definition of person. Maybe you define it just in physical body.
But many Christians had agreed that we as person have the capacity to reason, will and have emotion.
Animals can see things but they cannot see the beauty of such thing.
Same as us, we are finite being cannot grasp God's infinite power. His ways are always higher than ours, like the Holy Spirit as God has the power to dwell on many believers, that's power, you and I cannot fathom.

Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Yes, that is true. And for the Holy Spirit to dwell at the same time "on many believers," it cannot be a Person. A Person can not be divided into millions of pieces. It is more rational to accept the fact that the H.S. is God's own breath and His power that extends from Him. The Spirit is said to reason and have emotions because this Spirit is God's own thoughts that He expresses through His Holy Spirit.

To underestimate the power of God is not rational, you define Him in your finite mind.
If He is the breath, force and power of the Father, He is owned and one with the Father but why He is separately mention in Mat 28:19 and 2 Cor 13:14?
Do you mention your own breath, force or power and introduce separately to your friend?

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

It is separately mentioned because it is a thing, and needs to be mentioned. It is God's own power and breath and thoughts of His mind, so it is important to mention its existence. Just because three things are mentioned---two Persons and a thing---in the same sentence doesn't mean they are all equal or that they all make up God.

[marke]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

Marke: Poor students of the Bible and those less acquainted with God have adopted the error of thinking that Jesus was just another man and not one with God from before the foundation of the earth. Jesus is God and He did lay aside His deity in many ways when He came to earth in a body prepared for Him by God.

[marke]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

Marke: Jesus said in Matthew 19 that there is only one good being and that is God. Why do humans think Jesus is not or was not good? If He was telling the truth and He is not God then He is not good.

[Capbook]

To all respondents,

One can go on and on ad infinitum with the philosophies of man and still remain ignorant of the things of God.

As the scripture states “ For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him.Even so the things of God knowerth no man, but the spirit of God”

The mission of the holy Ghost is according to scripture is to teach us “all things pertaining to godliness.”

The JW’s deny the holy Ghost which is to teach us all things pertaining to godliness. Since they deny the ongoing revelations, they are left to To themselves to wallow in a vain effort to explain the things of God by their own deductive reasoning and “private interpretation” of the scriptures.

We do not deny the Holy Spirit. Far from it. It is Jehovah's breath, His power that extends to all things to keep them running. JWs have the privilege of being guided by the Holy Spirit. It is guiding the organization of Jesus' heavenly Kingdom on Earth today, getting ready for the end of Satan's system of things.
Yes, I believe you deny the Holy Spirit as a person, whom has emotion, will and reason.
Whom can speak, teach, reveals the future, reproves, distribute gifts, etc.

Can a thing be addressed as "he or him?"
No, in standard English, a "thing" (an inanimate object) should not be addressed as "he" or "him".
https://www.google.com/search?q=can+a+t ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jhn 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world can’t receive; for it doesn’t see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.

Well, it IS addressed as "he" or "him." It is the same as what we see in other languages, Spanish, German, and others. Inanimate objects are referred to as "he" or "she." A lamp post is "he," a vase is "she." Try learning one of those languages and you will see what I mean. In the Scriptures Wisdom is said to be "she." Another inanimate object. "Say to wisdom'You are my sister,' and call understanding your intimate friend." (Proverbs 7:4, NASB)

Having said that, I ask---How can a person be "in" another person? It doesn't happen. The Holy Spirit is inanimate and exists as God's own breath and power. That is how Holy Spirit is "in" someone.

Maybe we are not of the same definition of person. Maybe you define it just in physical body.
But many Christians had agreed that we as person have the capacity to reason, will and have emotion.
Animals can see things but they cannot see the beauty of such thing.
Same as us, we are finite being cannot grasp God's infinite power. His ways are always higher than ours, like the Holy Spirit as God has the power to dwell on many believers, that's power, you and I cannot fathom.

Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Yes, that is true. And for the Holy Spirit to dwell at the same time "on many believers," it cannot be a Person. A Person can not be divided into millions of pieces. It is more rational to accept the fact that the H.S. is God's own breath and His power that extends from Him. The Spirit is said to reason and have emotions because this Spirit is God's own thoughts that He expresses through His Holy Spirit.

To underestimate the power of God is not rational, you define Him in your finite mind.
If He is the breath, force and power of the Father, He is owned and one with the Father but why He is separately mention in Mat 28:19 and 2 Cor 13:14?
Do you mention your own breath, force or power and introduce separately to your friend?

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

It is separately mentioned because it is a thing, and needs to be mentioned. It is God's own power and breath and thoughts of His mind, so it is important to mention its existence. Just because three things are mentioned---two Persons and a thing---in the same sentence doesn't mean they are all equal or that they all make up God.

You ignore my question I colored blue above.

[Bible_Student]

Do you mention your own breath, force or power and introduce separately to your friend?
You ignore my question I colored blue above.

Revolutionaries often say things like, "We fight in the name of our heroes, our children, and the justice of the people."

"Name" in singular, and included persons and impersonal abstract qualities, yes.

What makes the situation regarding "Jehovah, his Son Jesus, and his spirit" appear so distinct from the usual perspective for some individuals?

[Capbook]

Do you mention your own breath, force or power and introduce separately to your friend?
You ignore my question I colored blue above.

Revolutionaries often say things like, "We fight in the name of our heroes, our children, and the justice of the people."

"Name" in singular, and included persons and impersonal abstract qualities, yes.

What makes the situation regarding "Jehovah, his Son Jesus, and his spirit" appear so distinct from the usual perspective for some individuals?

And the one who said, "we fight in the name of our heroes, our children, and justice of the people?" own them as one person?
Just like the Father owns the Holy Spirit as Witness reckoned as one person?

Well, it is the Bible that separately or distinctly mentioned them.

[Bible_Student]

And the one who said, "we fight in the name of our heroes, our children, and justice of the people?" own them as one person?
Just like the Father owns the Holy Spirit as Witness reckoned as one person?

Well, it is the Bible that separately or distinctly mentioned them.

Neither the Bible says that Jehovah (His spirit) and Jesus are a single person. That is an imaginary representation of all these three.

Even if we know that in the life of a Christian the Father of Jesus has an exclusive position and acts through His Spirit upon believers who benefit from the sacrifice, teachings and lordship of His Son, that does not mean at all that all three are a single personal entity. This "mono-triplet" is not real: God is the Father, Jesus is the Son of God and the holy spirit is the spirit of Jehovah.

[Capbook]

And the one who said, "we fight in the name of our heroes, our children, and justice of the people?" own them as one person?
Just like the Father owns the Holy Spirit as Witness reckoned as one person?

Well, it is the Bible that separately or distinctly mentioned them.

Neither the Bible says that Jehovah (His spirit) and Jesus are a single person. That is an imaginary representation of all these three.

Even if we know that in the life of a Christian the Father of Jesus has an exclusive position and acts through His Spirit upon believers who benefit from the sacrifice, teachings and lordship of His Son, that does not mean at all that all three are a single personal entity. This "mono-triplet" is not real: God is the Father, Jesus is the Son of God and the holy spirit is the spirit of Jehovah.

My point is about the Father and the Holy Spirit. Do Witness count them as one or not?

The three are one in the state of being God, if you have some resource, please find Greek word "theotes" and its meaning.
If you have a word for word Bible translations, with Strong Concordance and dictionaries of Bible words in Hebrew and in Greek,
you will find it, but on paraphrase or thought for thought translations most Bible words in Hebrew and Greek not exist.

[Bible_Student]

And the one who said, "we fight in the name of our heroes, our children, and justice of the people?" own them as one person?
Just like the Father owns the Holy Spirit as Witness reckoned as one person?

Well, it is the Bible that separately or distinctly mentioned them.

Neither the Bible says that Jehovah (His spirit) and Jesus are a single person. That is an imaginary representation of all these three.

Even if we know that in the life of a Christian the Father of Jesus has an exclusive position and acts through His Spirit upon believers who benefit from the sacrifice, teachings and lordship of His Son, that does not mean at all that all three are a single personal entity. This "mono-triplet" is not real: God is the Father, Jesus is the Son of God and the holy spirit is the spirit of Jehovah.

My point is about the Father and the Holy Spirit. Do Witness count them as one or not?

Yes. The spirit of Jehovah is a part of Him that He can extend far away to act by itself and comply with His purpose, but it's not a person but His spirit.

The three are one in the state of being God, if you have some resource, please find Greek word "theotes" and its meaning.
If you have a word for word Bible translations, with Strong Concordance and dictionaries of Bible words in Hebrew and in Greek,
you will find it, but on paraphrase or thought for thought translations most Bible words in Hebrew and Greek not exist.

Dictionaries adapt their definitions as language evolves.

For instance, in the past, the English term "worship" solely indicated the respect shown to a person or thing deserving honor, primarily associated with the reverence afforded to monarchs/kings. However, as the term evolved to denote the kind of worship reserved exclusively for God, its earlier connotation fell out of use, leading to its omission in the updated modern definition; maybe in the future it will change again.

Wouldn't it be more beneficial to explore what the Bible teaches rather than relying on human definitions that can be ambiguous, incomplete, relative, biased and even temporary?