JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[Revelations won]

To all respondents,

One can go on and on ad infinitum with the philosophies of man and still remain ignorant of the things of God.

As the scripture states “ For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him.Even so the things of God knowerth no man, but the spirit of God”

The mission of the holy Ghost is according to scripture is to teach us “all things pertaining to godliness.”

The JW’s deny the holy Ghost which is to teach us all things pertaining to godliness. Since they deny the ongoing revelations, they are left to To themselves to wallow in a vain effort to explain the things of God by their own deductive reasoning and “private interpretation” of the scriptures.

Putting it simply they just “rely on the philosophies of man , mingled with scripture”.

The Lord put it on target when he said “ the wisdom of man is foolishness to the Lord”.

The sacred truth’s of true religion have only come by revelation! The Lord is the same yesterday, today and forever! He is an unchanging God.

If God was ever changing, then man could not trust God.


Is it not clearly seen that when men rejected the prophets whom God sent and stoned them and killed them, the is only then that man has become apostate and hence had no direct revelatory guidance and has been left to make and worship a man made God who cannot reveal his will and direction for the destiny of his spirit children who have been sent to this earth with the mission to “{overcome the world as Christ did, that they might gain their divine destiny.”

The vast majority of mankind have wallowed in this quagmire of apostasy and unbelief for over 2 (two) thousand years now and only been successful in developing over 50 thousand churches Wirth no unity of faith or doctrine. What overwhelming confusion! Is God’s true House a house of order or of a house of such confusion as exists today?

[onewithhim]

To all respondents,

One can go on and on ad infinitum with the philosophies of man and still remain ignorant of the things of God.

As the scripture states “ For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him.Even so the things of God knowerth no man, but the spirit of God”

The mission of the holy Ghost is according to scripture is to teach us “all things pertaining to godliness.”

The JW’s deny the holy Ghost which is to teach us all things pertaining to godliness. Since they deny the ongoing revelations, they are left to To themselves to wallow in a vain effort to explain the things of God by their own deductive reasoning and “private interpretation” of the scriptures.

We do not deny the Holy Spirit. Far from it. It is Jehovah's breath, His power that extends to all things to keep them running. JWs have the privilege of being guided by the Holy Spirit. It is guiding the organization of Jesus' heavenly Kingdom on Earth today, getting ready for the end of Satan's system of things.

[Capbook]

To all respondents,

One can go on and on ad infinitum with the philosophies of man and still remain ignorant of the things of God.

As the scripture states “ For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him.Even so the things of God knowerth no man, but the spirit of God”

The mission of the holy Ghost is according to scripture is to teach us “all things pertaining to godliness.”

The JW’s deny the holy Ghost which is to teach us all things pertaining to godliness. Since they deny the ongoing revelations, they are left to To themselves to wallow in a vain effort to explain the things of God by their own deductive reasoning and “private interpretation” of the scriptures.

We do not deny the Holy Spirit. Far from it. It is Jehovah's breath, His power that extends to all things to keep them running. JWs have the privilege of being guided by the Holy Spirit. It is guiding the organization of Jesus' heavenly Kingdom on Earth today, getting ready for the end of Satan's system of things.

Yes, I believe you deny the Holy Spirit as a person, whom has emotion, will and reason.
Whom can speak, teach, reveals the future, reproves, distribute gifts, etc.
Can a thing be addressed as "he or him?"
No, in standard English, a "thing" (an inanimate object) should not be addressed as "he" or "him".
https://www.google.com/search?q=can+a+t ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jhn 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world can’t receive; for it doesn’t see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.

[Zorn]

I'll just add this for everyone's edification and enlightenment ...

Jesus Christ was called "the Son of God"
... ONLY because ...
God the Holy Spirit "played the role of" Jesus' father!
Ref: Matthew 1 and Luke 1

[onewithhim]

To all respondents,

One can go on and on ad infinitum with the philosophies of man and still remain ignorant of the things of God.

As the scripture states “ For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him.Even so the things of God knowerth no man, but the spirit of God”

The mission of the holy Ghost is according to scripture is to teach us “all things pertaining to godliness.”

The JW’s deny the holy Ghost which is to teach us all things pertaining to godliness. Since they deny the ongoing revelations, they are left to To themselves to wallow in a vain effort to explain the things of God by their own deductive reasoning and “private interpretation” of the scriptures.

We do not deny the Holy Spirit. Far from it. It is Jehovah's breath, His power that extends to all things to keep them running. JWs have the privilege of being guided by the Holy Spirit. It is guiding the organization of Jesus' heavenly Kingdom on Earth today, getting ready for the end of Satan's system of things.

Yes, I believe you deny the Holy Spirit as a person, whom has emotion, will and reason.
Whom can speak, teach, reveals the future, reproves, distribute gifts, etc.
Can a thing be addressed as "he or him?"
No, in standard English, a "thing" (an inanimate object) should not be addressed as "he" or "him".
https://www.google.com/search?q=can+a+t ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jhn 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world can’t receive; for it doesn’t see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.

Well, it IS addressed as "he" or "him." It is the same as what we see in other languages, Spanish, German, and others. Inanimate objects are referred to as "he" or "she." A lamp post is "he," a vase is "she." Try learning one of those languages and you will see what I mean. In the Scriptures Wisdom is said to be "she." Another inanimate object. "Say to wisdom'You are my sister,' and call understanding your intimate friend." (Proverbs 7:4, NASB)

Having said that, I ask---How can a person be "in" another person? It doesn't happen. The Holy Spirit is inanimate and exists as God's own breath and power. That is how Holy Spirit is "in" someone.

[onewithhim]

I'll just add this for everyone's edification and enlightenment ...

Jesus Christ was called "the Son of God"
... ONLY because ...
God the Holy Spirit "played the role of" Jesus' father!
Ref: Matthew 1 and Luke 1

Where in Matthew and Luke do you see that?

[Capbook]

To all respondents,

One can go on and on ad infinitum with the philosophies of man and still remain ignorant of the things of God.

As the scripture states “ For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him.Even so the things of God knowerth no man, but the spirit of God”

The mission of the holy Ghost is according to scripture is to teach us “all things pertaining to godliness.”

The JW’s deny the holy Ghost which is to teach us all things pertaining to godliness. Since they deny the ongoing revelations, they are left to To themselves to wallow in a vain effort to explain the things of God by their own deductive reasoning and “private interpretation” of the scriptures.

We do not deny the Holy Spirit. Far from it. It is Jehovah's breath, His power that extends to all things to keep them running. JWs have the privilege of being guided by the Holy Spirit. It is guiding the organization of Jesus' heavenly Kingdom on Earth today, getting ready for the end of Satan's system of things.

Yes, I believe you deny the Holy Spirit as a person, whom has emotion, will and reason.
Whom can speak, teach, reveals the future, reproves, distribute gifts, etc.
Can a thing be addressed as "he or him?"
No, in standard English, a "thing" (an inanimate object) should not be addressed as "he" or "him".
https://www.google.com/search?q=can+a+t ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jhn 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world can’t receive; for it doesn’t see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.

Well, it IS addressed as "he" or "him." It is the same as what we see in other languages, Spanish, German, and others. Inanimate objects are referred to as "he" or "she." A lamp post is "he," a vase is "she." Try learning one of those languages and you will see what I mean. In the Scriptures Wisdom is said to be "she." Another inanimate object. "Say to wisdom'You are my sister,' and call understanding your intimate friend." (Proverbs 7:4, NASB)

Having said that, I ask---How can a person be "in" another person? It doesn't happen. The Holy Spirit is inanimate and exists as God's own breath and power. That is how Holy Spirit is "in" someone.

Maybe we are not of the same definition of person. Maybe you define it just in physical body.
But many Christians had agreed that we as person have the capacity to reason, will and have emotion.
Animals can see things but they cannot see the beauty of such thing.
Same as us, we are finite being cannot grasp God's infinite power. His ways are always higher than ours, like the Holy Spirit as God has the power to dwell on many believers, that's power, you and I cannot fathom.

Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

[Revelations won]

Dear Onewithhim,

I am responding to your post #1882:

“Unread post
by onewithhim » Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:04 pm
Revelations won wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 29, 2025 12:04 am
To all respondents,

"One can go on and on ad infinitum with the philosophies of man and still remain ignorant of the things of God.

As the scripture states “ For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him.Even so the things of God knowerth no man, but the spirit of God”

The mission of the holy Ghost is according to scripture is to teach us “all things pertaining to godliness.”

The JW’s deny the holy Ghost which is to teach us all things pertaining to godliness. Since they deny the ongoing revelations, they are left to To themselves to wallow in a vain effort to explain the things of God by their own deductive reasoning and “private interpretation” of the scriptures.

You said:

We do not deny the Holy Spirit. Far from it. It is Jehovah's breath, His power that extends to all things to keep them running. JWs have the privilege of being guided by the Holy Spirit. It is guiding the organization of Jesus' heavenly Kingdom on Earth today, getting ready for the end of Satan's system of things.

My response: In previous posts JW’s have declared that they do not believe in latter day prophets, latter day revelation etc.

Are you now going to reverse this position by now claiming that JW’s now receive revelation from the Holy Ghost??? Or from Christ directly??? Or form God the Father???

[onewithhim]

To all respondents,

One can go on and on ad infinitum with the philosophies of man and still remain ignorant of the things of God.

As the scripture states “ For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him.Even so the things of God knowerth no man, but the spirit of God”

The mission of the holy Ghost is according to scripture is to teach us “all things pertaining to godliness.”

The JW’s deny the holy Ghost which is to teach us all things pertaining to godliness. Since they deny the ongoing revelations, they are left to To themselves to wallow in a vain effort to explain the things of God by their own deductive reasoning and “private interpretation” of the scriptures.

We do not deny the Holy Spirit. Far from it. It is Jehovah's breath, His power that extends to all things to keep them running. JWs have the privilege of being guided by the Holy Spirit. It is guiding the organization of Jesus' heavenly Kingdom on Earth today, getting ready for the end of Satan's system of things.
Yes, I believe you deny the Holy Spirit as a person, whom has emotion, will and reason.
Whom can speak, teach, reveals the future, reproves, distribute gifts, etc.

Can a thing be addressed as "he or him?"
No, in standard English, a "thing" (an inanimate object) should not be addressed as "he" or "him".
https://www.google.com/search?q=can+a+t ... e&ie=UTF-8

Jhn 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world can’t receive; for it doesn’t see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.

Well, it IS addressed as "he" or "him." It is the same as what we see in other languages, Spanish, German, and others. Inanimate objects are referred to as "he" or "she." A lamp post is "he," a vase is "she." Try learning one of those languages and you will see what I mean. In the Scriptures Wisdom is said to be "she." Another inanimate object. "Say to wisdom'You are my sister,' and call understanding your intimate friend." (Proverbs 7:4, NASB)

Having said that, I ask---How can a person be "in" another person? It doesn't happen. The Holy Spirit is inanimate and exists as God's own breath and power. That is how Holy Spirit is "in" someone.

Maybe we are not of the same definition of person. Maybe you define it just in physical body.
But many Christians had agreed that we as person have the capacity to reason, will and have emotion.
Animals can see things but they cannot see the beauty of such thing.
Same as us, we are finite being cannot grasp God's infinite power. His ways are always higher than ours, like the Holy Spirit as God has the power to dwell on many believers, that's power, you and I cannot fathom.

Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Yes, that is true. And for the Holy Spirit to dwell at the same time "on many believers," it cannot be a Person. A Person can not be divided into millions of pieces. It is more rational to accept the fact that the H.S. is God's own breath and His power that extends from Him. The Spirit is said to reason and have emotions because this Spirit is God's own thoughts that He expresses through His Holy Spirit.

[Zorn]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1886]
Jesus Christ was called "the Son of God"
... ONLY because ...
God the Holy Spirit "played the role of" Jesus' father!

He "created" Jesus in Mary's womb,
miraculously ... IMO, w/o male sperm.

Matthew 1:
20 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:
35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.