Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[Capbook]

Many translations does not have that "name" before Jesus.

Neither does the New World Translation published by the Watchtower Society
.

MATTHEW 28:19 NWT

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit

(ASV) Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(BBE) Go then, and make disciples of all the nations, giving them baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(CEV) Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

(ERV) So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

(ESV) Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(ESV+)  R10 Go therefore and  R11 make disciples of  R12 all nations,  R10 baptizing them  R13 in N1 R14 the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(GNB) Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

It might be onewithhim's interpretation of the text.

Whatever it is, anyone that can read can see that your accusations that the NWT differs significantly in this verse from any other English translation is false.



JW

Good...

Good.

You cut my reply, what about the question, "why the man John the Baptist not included in Mat 28:19 whom he was the one who baptized Jesus?"

Good, the we are one in that text, one name, one God in three persons into which believers are baptized; and a proof of the true deity both of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; and that Christ, as the Son of God, is God. If interpreted as man allowed there, it should include John the Baptist whom baptized Jesus
I know JWs also follow what Jesus taught that baptism (Mat 28:19-20) is a requirement.

Jesus taught that baptism is a requirement for his followers. (Matthew 28:19, 20) The apostle Peter reaffirmed that teaching.—1 Peter 3:21.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... s-baptism/

[JehovahsWitness]

You cut my reply, what about the question, "why the man John the Baptist not included in Mat 28:19 whom he was the one who baptized Jesus?"

I cut it because I have no interest in discussing thus question. My only goal was to clear up your insinuations that the New World Translation mistranslated Matthew 28:19 which you have recognised is nit the case.

[Capbook]

You cut my reply, what about the question, "why the man John the Baptist not included in Mat 28:19 whom he was the one who baptized Jesus?"

I cut it because I have no interest in discussing thus question. My only goal was to clear up your insinuations that the New World Translation mistranslated Matthew 28:19 which you have recognised is nit the case.

These are the wordings of my Post#3275 about Mat 28:19, I did not mention the NWT, I did mention JWs referring to onewithhim statement.
"I always noticed that JWs are fond of adding words in the Bible.
Many translations does not have that "name" before Jesus.
You just do anything unsupported interpretation just to suit the Arians."

Yes, I know you cannot answer the question why the man John the Baptist not included there. It is because he does posses the Divinity
the three persons has, yet one name, one God into which believers are baptized; and a proof of the true deity of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. And that Jesus as the Son of God, is God. And that baptism is administered equally in the name of the three.

[JehovahsWitness]

These are the wordings of my Post#3275 about Mat 28:19, I did not mention the NWT...

Okay then the matter has been cleared up.

Have a good day,

JW

[onewithhim]

Many translations does not have that "name" before Jesus.

Neither does the New World Translation published by the Watchtower Society
.

MATTHEW 28:19 NWT

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit

(ASV) Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(BBE) Go then, and make disciples of all the nations, giving them baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(CEV) Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

(ERV) So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

(ESV) Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(ESV+)  R10 Go therefore and  R11 make disciples of  R12 all nations,  R10 baptizing them  R13 in N1 R14 the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(GNB) Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

It might be onewithhim's interpretation of the text.

Whatever it is, anyone that can read can see that your accusations that the NWT differs significantly in this verse from any other English translation is false.



JW

Good, the we are one in that text, one name, one God in three persons into which believers are baptized; and a proof of the true deity both of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; and that Christ, as the Son of God, is God. If interpreted as man allowed there, it should include John the Baptist whom baptized Jesus
I know JWs also follow what Jesus taught that baptism (Mat 28:19-20) is a requirement.

Jesus taught that baptism is a requirement for his followers. (Matthew 28:19, 20) The apostle Peter reaffirmed that teaching.—1 Peter 3:21.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... s-baptism/

Just think about what you said. Christ, as the SON of God, is God. Jesus is his own Son? That is what you are saying.

[Capbook]

Many translations does not have that "name" before Jesus.

Neither does the New World Translation published by the Watchtower Society
.

MATTHEW 28:19 NWT

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit

(ASV) Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(BBE) Go then, and make disciples of all the nations, giving them baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(CEV) Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

(ERV) So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

(ESV) Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(ESV+)  R10 Go therefore and  R11 make disciples of  R12 all nations,  R10 baptizing them  R13 in N1 R14 the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(GNB) Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

It might be onewithhim's interpretation of the text.

Whatever it is, anyone that can read can see that your accusations that the NWT differs significantly in this verse from any other English translation is false.



JW

Good, the we are one in that text, one name, one God in three persons into which believers are baptized; and a proof of the true deity both of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; and that Christ, as the Son of God, is God. If interpreted as man allowed there, it should include John the Baptist whom baptized Jesus
I know JWs also follow what Jesus taught that baptism (Mat 28:19-20) is a requirement.

Jesus taught that baptism is a requirement for his followers. (Matthew 28:19, 20) The apostle Peter reaffirmed that teaching.—1 Peter 3:21.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... s-baptism/

Just think about what you said. Christ, as the SON of God, is God. Jesus is his own Son? That is what you are saying.

I think you are confuse, I notice when you see God, you always refer to the Father.
God is a state of being, just like men and women are one in the state of being human.
Or mankind to humans and Godkind to God. So, when a statement said, the Son of God, is God, means Jesus posses the state of being God.
"Godkind" is a term that can refer to divinity, gods, or being born into a supernatural class of people with God's nature.
https://www.google.com/search?q=godkind ... e&ie=UTF-8

[Bible_Student]

... God is a state of being, just like men and women are one in the state of being human...

You believe that "being God" is being part of a species. I beg to differ.

I appreciate you expressing your thoughts, nonetheless.

[Capbook]

... God is a state of being, just like men and women are one in the state of being human...

You believe that "being God" is being part of a species. I beg to differ.

I appreciate you expressing your thoughts, nonetheless.

Yes, you are entitled to your own opinion but what I post is not mine, I quote it with link, a neutral reference to support my point.

"Godkind" is a term that can refer to divinity, gods, or being born into a supernatural class of people with God's nature.
https://www.google.com/search?q=godkind ... e&ie=UTF-8

[onewithhim]

Many translations does not have that "name" before Jesus.

Neither does the New World Translation published by the Watchtower Society
.

MATTHEW 28:19 NWT

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit

(ASV) Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(BBE) Go then, and make disciples of all the nations, giving them baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(CEV) Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

(ERV) So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

(ESV) Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(ESV+)  R10 Go therefore and  R11 make disciples of  R12 all nations,  R10 baptizing them  R13 in N1 R14 the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(GNB) Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

It might be onewithhim's interpretation of the text.

Whatever it is, anyone that can read can see that your accusations that the NWT differs significantly in this verse from any other English translation is false.



JW

Good, the we are one in that text, one name, one God in three persons into which believers are baptized; and a proof of the true deity both of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; and that Christ, as the Son of God, is God. If interpreted as man allowed there, it should include John the Baptist whom baptized Jesus
I know JWs also follow what Jesus taught that baptism (Mat 28:19-20) is a requirement.

Jesus taught that baptism is a requirement for his followers. (Matthew 28:19, 20) The apostle Peter reaffirmed that teaching.—1 Peter 3:21.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... s-baptism/

Just think about what you said. Christ, as the SON of God, is God. Jesus is his own Son? That is what you are saying.

I think you are confuse, I notice when you see God, you always refer to the Father.
God is a state of being, just like men and women are one in the state of being human.
Or mankind to humans and Godkind to God. So, when a statement said, the Son of God, is God, means Jesus posses the state of being God.
"Godkind" is a term that can refer to divinity, gods, or being born into a supernatural class of people with God's nature.
https://www.google.com/search?q=godkind ... e&ie=UTF-8

Sorry to say, the confusion is yours. Just because Jesus and God are both spirit Persons, this doesn't mean that they are both God. The President and Joe Shmoe on the street are both humans yet they are not equal in position. God is more than a state of being. He is a Person that has feelings and moral standards and love for His creations. You just said that "Godkind" is a term that can refer to "being born into a supernatural class of people with God's nature." God's nature is SPIRIT and so is Christ's. That doesn't make them both God. And you never answered my question, when I said that the ANGELS are also spirits yet they are not God, and you waffled on that suggesting that the angels are not spirits, then---What are the angels if not spirits?

[Capbook]

Many translations does not have that "name" before Jesus.

Neither does the New World Translation published by the Watchtower Society
.

MATTHEW 28:19 NWT

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit

(ASV) Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(BBE) Go then, and make disciples of all the nations, giving them baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(CEV) Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

(ERV) So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

(ESV) Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(ESV+)  R10 Go therefore and  R11 make disciples of  R12 all nations,  R10 baptizing them  R13 in N1 R14 the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(GNB) Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

It might be onewithhim's interpretation of the text.

Whatever it is, anyone that can read can see that your accusations that the NWT differs significantly in this verse from any other English translation is false.



JW

Good, the we are one in that text, one name, one God in three persons into which believers are baptized; and a proof of the true deity both of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; and that Christ, as the Son of God, is God. If interpreted as man allowed there, it should include John the Baptist whom baptized Jesus
I know JWs also follow what Jesus taught that baptism (Mat 28:19-20) is a requirement.

Jesus taught that baptism is a requirement for his followers. (Matthew 28:19, 20) The apostle Peter reaffirmed that teaching.—1 Peter 3:21.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... s-baptism/

Just think about what you said. Christ, as the SON of God, is God. Jesus is his own Son? That is what you are saying.

I think you are confuse, I notice when you see God, you always refer to the Father.
God is a state of being, just like men and women are one in the state of being human.
Or mankind to humans and Godkind to God. So, when a statement said, the Son of God, is God, means Jesus posses the state of being God.
"Godkind" is a term that can refer to divinity, gods, or being born into a supernatural class of people with God's nature.
https://www.google.com/search?q=godkind ... e&ie=UTF-8

Sorry to say, the confusion is yours. Just because Jesus and God are both spirit Persons, this doesn't mean that they are both God. The President and Joe Shmoe on the street are both humans yet they are not equal in position. God is more than a state of being. He is a Person that has feelings and moral standards and love for His creations. You just said that "Godkind" is a term that can refer to "being born into a supernatural class of people with God's nature." God's nature is SPIRIT and so is Christ's. That doesn't make them both God. And you never answered my question, when I said that the ANGELS are also spirits yet they are not God, and you waffled on that suggesting that the angels are not spirits, then---What are the angels if not spirits?

Yes, angels are spirits and are not in the form of God. If you still argue on the latter phrase provide verse.
Yes, Jesus and the Father can be both God, because God is a title and not a name.
The Father's title: God, name: is the Tetragrammaton.
The Son's title : God, name: Jesus Christ.

"God" is considered a title, not a name, as it refers to a category of being (a deity) rather than a specific individual's name; in the Abrahamic religions, the specific name for God is usually considered to be "Yahweh".
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+god+ ... s-wiz-serp