Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[onewithhim]

Dear Onewithhim,

Without the "fall" There would be no need for. the forordained pan of God for a redeemer, ne atonement, no resurrection. The plan of God would have been frustrated.

You believe that God planned on Adam falling? That's not true. God foreordained people to rule with Christ in heaven only AFTER Adam fell. Jehovah certainly did not plan on Adam falling. He gave Adam a real choice. Obey or die.

Did God know before He commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,
that Adam would disobey Him?

A. Yes
B. No

No. He chose not to know.

Like you would know?

Prove it.

Why don't you prove that he did know?

It just stands up to reason. We have to take into consideration God's qualities---justice, honesty, love, mercy, kindness, etc. Would he say to Adam that he had to choose life or death if He knew Adam would fall? That wouldn't be a kind loving God. The choice was real.

It would be pretty boring for God, to know everything that would happen, wouldn't you say?

If He foreknew everything, and knew all that would result from creating the angels and the earth and humans, including the rebellion of Satan and the subsequent rebellion of Adam and Eve, and all the bad consequences of such rebellion down to this present day, this would mean that all the wickedness that history has recorded once existed, before creation's beginning, only in the mind of God. If the Creator had exercised his power to foreknow all of history, then the full weight of all the wickedness resulting after the Creation was deliberately set in motion by God. Would anyone really do that if they could foreknow everything?

God has the ability to foresee everything, but He is selective in what He wishes to see. It is not a question of ability, but what He sees fit to foresee.

[slowrider]

Dear Onewithhim,

Without the "fall" There would be no need for. the forordained pan of God for a redeemer, ne atonement, no resurrection. The plan of God would have been frustrated.

You believe that God planned on Adam falling? That's not true. God foreordained people to rule with Christ in heaven only AFTER Adam fell. Jehovah certainly did not plan on Adam falling. He gave Adam a real choice. Obey or die.

Did God know before He commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,
that Adam would disobey Him?

A. Yes
B. No

No. He chose not to know.

Like you would know?

Prove it.

Why don't you prove that he did know?

It just stands up to reason. We have to take into consideration God's qualities---justice, honesty, love, mercy, kindness, etc. Would he say to Adam that he had to choose life or death if He knew Adam would fall? That wouldn't be a kind loving God. The choice was real.

It would be pretty boring for God, to know everything that would happen, wouldn't you say?

If He foreknew everything, and knew all that would result from creating the angels and the earth and humans, including the rebellion of Satan and the subsequent rebellion of Adam and Eve, and all the bad consequences of such rebellion down to this present day, this would mean that all the wickedness that history has recorded once existed, before creation's beginning, only in the mind of God. If the Creator had exercised his power to foreknow all of history, then the full weight of all the wickedness resulting after the Creation was deliberately set in motion by God. Would anyone really do that if they could foreknow everything?

God has the ability to foresee everything, but He is selective in what He wishes to see. It is not a question of ability, but what He sees fit to foresee.

God told me He is going to punish you.

[onewithhim]

Dear Onewithhim,

Without the "fall" There would be no need for. the forordained pan of God for a redeemer, ne atonement, no resurrection. The plan of God would have been frustrated.

You believe that God planned on Adam falling? That's not true. God foreordained people to rule with Christ in heaven only AFTER Adam fell. Jehovah certainly did not plan on Adam falling. He gave Adam a real choice. Obey or die.

Did God know before He commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,
that Adam would disobey Him?

A. Yes
B. No

No. He chose not to know.

Like you would know?

Prove it.

Why don't you prove that he did know?

It just stands up to reason. We have to take into consideration God's qualities---justice, honesty, love, mercy, kindness, etc. Would he say to Adam that he had to choose life or death if He knew Adam would fall? That wouldn't be a kind loving God. The choice was real.

It would be pretty boring for God, to know everything that would happen, wouldn't you say?

If He foreknew everything, and knew all that would result from creating the angels and the earth and humans, including the rebellion of Satan and the subsequent rebellion of Adam and Eve, and all the bad consequences of such rebellion down to this present day, this would mean that all the wickedness that history has recorded once existed, before creation's beginning, only in the mind of God. If the Creator had exercised his power to foreknow all of history, then the full weight of all the wickedness resulting after the Creation was deliberately set in motion by God. Would anyone really do that if they could foreknow everything?

God has the ability to foresee everything, but He is selective in what He wishes to see. It is not a question of ability, but what He sees fit to foresee.

God told me He is going to punish you.

Don't you like the idea of living on the earth in paradise conditions forever? After all, that is what Jesus died for, so that you could get back for yourself what Adam forfeited. He lost the ability to live forever, and he gave up his paradise home, but we can have what he lost, thanks to Jesus' sacrifice.

[Capbook]

Dear Onewithhim,

Without the "fall" There would be no need for. the forordained pan of God for a redeemer, ne atonement, no resurrection. The plan of God would have been frustrated.

You believe that God planned on Adam falling? That's not true. God foreordained people to rule with Christ in heaven only AFTER Adam fell. Jehovah certainly did not plan on Adam falling. He gave Adam a real choice. Obey or die.

Did God know before He commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,
that Adam would disobey Him?

A. Yes
B. No

No. He chose not to know. That is another thing God can do---choose not to know. Just because you can whistle, do you do it all the time? God can know all things, but He chooses not to know some things.

May I know what verse that says God chose no to know?

[slowrider]

Dear Onewithhim,

Without the "fall" There would be no need for. the forordained pan of God for a redeemer, ne atonement, no resurrection. The plan of God would have been frustrated.

You believe that God planned on Adam falling? That's not true. God foreordained people to rule with Christ in heaven only AFTER Adam fell. Jehovah certainly did not plan on Adam falling. He gave Adam a real choice. Obey or die.

Did God know before He commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,
that Adam would disobey Him?

A. Yes
B. No

No. He chose not to know.

Like you would know?

Prove it.

Why don't you prove that he did know?

It just stands up to reason. We have to take into consideration God's qualities---justice, honesty, love, mercy, kindness, etc. Would he say to Adam that he had to choose life or death if He knew Adam would fall? That wouldn't be a kind loving God. The choice was real.

It would be pretty boring for God, to know everything that would happen, wouldn't you say?

If He foreknew everything, and knew all that would result from creating the angels and the earth and humans, including the rebellion of Satan and the subsequent rebellion of Adam and Eve, and all the bad consequences of such rebellion down to this present day, this would mean that all the wickedness that history has recorded once existed, before creation's beginning, only in the mind of God. If the Creator had exercised his power to foreknow all of history, then the full weight of all the wickedness resulting after the Creation was deliberately set in motion by God. Would anyone really do that if they could foreknow everything?

God has the ability to foresee everything, but He is selective in what He wishes to see. It is not a question of ability, but what He sees fit to foresee.

God told me He is going to punish you.

Don't you like the idea of living on the earth in paradise conditions forever? After all, that is what Jesus died for, so that you could get back for yourself what Adam forfeited. He lost the ability to live forever, and he gave up his paradise home, but we can have what he lost, thanks to Jesus' sacrifice.

Like you would actually know if any of these you have said to me is actually the truth.
Where did you get all this nonsense? Out of a book?

lol

lol

lol

[onewithhim]

Dear Onewithhim,

Without the "fall" There would be no need for. the forordained pan of God for a redeemer, ne atonement, no resurrection. The plan of God would have been frustrated.

You believe that God planned on Adam falling? That's not true. God foreordained people to rule with Christ in heaven only AFTER Adam fell. Jehovah certainly did not plan on Adam falling. He gave Adam a real choice. Obey or die.

Did God know before He commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,
that Adam would disobey Him?

A. Yes
B. No

No. He chose not to know.

Like you would know?

Prove it.

Why don't you prove that he did know?

It just stands up to reason. We have to take into consideration God's qualities---justice, honesty, love, mercy, kindness, etc. Would he say to Adam that he had to choose life or death if He knew Adam would fall? That wouldn't be a kind loving God. The choice was real.

It would be pretty boring for God, to know everything that would happen, wouldn't you say?

If He foreknew everything, and knew all that would result from creating the angels and the earth and humans, including the rebellion of Satan and the subsequent rebellion of Adam and Eve, and all the bad consequences of such rebellion down to this present day, this would mean that all the wickedness that history has recorded once existed, before creation's beginning, only in the mind of God. If the Creator had exercised his power to foreknow all of history, then the full weight of all the wickedness resulting after the Creation was deliberately set in motion by God. Would anyone really do that if they could foreknow everything?

God has the ability to foresee everything, but He is selective in what He wishes to see. It is not a question of ability, but what He sees fit to foresee.

God told me He is going to punish you.

Don't you like the idea of living on the earth in paradise conditions forever? After all, that is what Jesus died for, so that you could get back for yourself what Adam forfeited. He lost the ability to live forever, and he gave up his paradise home, but we can have what he lost, thanks to Jesus' sacrifice.

Like you would actually know if any of these you have said to me is actually the truth.
Where did you get all this nonsense? Out of a book?

lol

lol

lol

Study the Bible and you'll see. Don't you know that it's all in the Book?

[onewithhim]

You believe that God planned on Adam falling? That's not true. God foreordained people to rule with Christ in heaven only AFTER Adam fell. Jehovah certainly did not plan on Adam falling. He gave Adam a real choice. Obey or die.

Did God know before He commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,
that Adam would disobey Him?

A. Yes
B. No

No. He chose not to know.

Like you would know?

Prove it.

Why don't you prove that he did know?

It just stands up to reason. We have to take into consideration God's qualities---justice, honesty, love, mercy, kindness, etc. Would he say to Adam that he had to choose life or death if He knew Adam would fall? That wouldn't be a kind loving God. The choice was real.

It would be pretty boring for God, to know everything that would happen, wouldn't you say?

If He foreknew everything, and knew all that would result from creating the angels and the earth and humans, including the rebellion of Satan and the subsequent rebellion of Adam and Eve, and all the bad consequences of such rebellion down to this present day, this would mean that all the wickedness that history has recorded once existed, before creation's beginning, only in the mind of God. If the Creator had exercised his power to foreknow all of history, then the full weight of all the wickedness resulting after the Creation was deliberately set in motion by God. Would anyone really do that if they could foreknow everything?

God has the ability to foresee everything, but He is selective in what He wishes to see. It is not a question of ability, but what He sees fit to foresee.

God told me He is going to punish you.

Don't you like the idea of living on the earth in paradise conditions forever? After all, that is what Jesus died for, so that you could get back for yourself what Adam forfeited. He lost the ability to live forever, and he gave up his paradise home, but we can have what he lost, thanks to Jesus' sacrifice.

Like you would actually know if any of these you have said to me is actually the truth.
Where did you get all this nonsense? Out of a book?

lol

lol

lol

Study the Bible and you'll see. Don't you know that it's all in the Book?

Do you want to rule the world How Let us sing and dance:

Where do you get the idea that I want to rule the world? It is Jesus Christ who will rule over the earth, and under his direction we will have an earth that is a paradise.

[Capbook]

Dear Onewithhim,

Without the "fall" There would be no need for. the forordained pan of God for a redeemer, ne atonement, no resurrection. The plan of God would have been frustrated.

You believe that God planned on Adam falling? That's not true. God foreordained people to rule with Christ in heaven only AFTER Adam fell. Jehovah certainly did not plan on Adam falling. He gave Adam a real choice. Obey or die.

Did God know before He commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,
that Adam would disobey Him?

A. Yes
B. No

No. He chose not to know. That is another thing God can do---choose not to know. Just because you can whistle, do you do it all the time? God can know all things, but He chooses not to know some things.

May I know what verse that says God chose not to know?

You missed again my question above onewithhim

[onewithhim]

Dear Onewithhim,

Without the "fall" There would be no need for. the forordained pan of God for a redeemer, ne atonement, no resurrection. The plan of God would have been frustrated.

You believe that God planned on Adam falling? That's not true. God foreordained people to rule with Christ in heaven only AFTER Adam fell. Jehovah certainly did not plan on Adam falling. He gave Adam a real choice. Obey or die.

Did God know before He commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,
that Adam would disobey Him?

A. Yes
B. No

No. He chose not to know. That is another thing God can do---choose not to know. Just because you can whistle, do you do it all the time? God can know all things, but He chooses not to know some things.

May I know what verse that says God chose not to know?

You missed again my question above onewithhim

I did answer, on another thread possibly. If He would know everything, that would mean that, prior to creating angels or humans, God exercised His powers of foreknowledge and foresaw all that would result from such creation, including the rebellion of Satan and Adam and Eve, and all the consequenses of such rebellion down to this day (and even beyond). This would mean that all the wickedness that history has recorded once existed , before creation's beginning, only in the mind of God. If God had indeed exercised His power to foreknow, then the full weight of all the wickedness resulting after that was deliberately set in motion by God when He spoke the words: "Let us make man." (Gen.1:26)

Why would He do that? He wouldn't, unless He was taking advantage of His ability to NOT foresee if He so wished.

[Capbook]

Dear Onewithhim,

Without the "fall" There would be no need for. the forordained pan of God for a redeemer, ne atonement, no resurrection. The plan of God would have been frustrated.

You believe that God planned on Adam falling? That's not true. God foreordained people to rule with Christ in heaven only AFTER Adam fell. Jehovah certainly did not plan on Adam falling. He gave Adam a real choice. Obey or die.

Did God know before He commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,
that Adam would disobey Him?

A. Yes
B. No

No. He chose not to know. That is another thing God can do---choose not to know. Just because you can whistle, do you do it all the time? God can know all things, but He chooses not to know some things.

May I know what verse that says God chose not to know?

You missed again my question above onewithhim

I did answer, on another thread possibly. If He would know everything, that would mean that, prior to creating angels or humans, God exercised His powers of foreknowledge and foresaw all that would result from such creation, including the rebellion of Satan and Adam and Eve, and all the consequenses of such rebellion down to this day (and even beyond). This would mean that all the wickedness that history has recorded once existed , before creation's beginning, only in the mind of God. If God had indeed exercised His power to foreknow, then the full weight of all the wickedness resulting after that was deliberately set in motion by God when He spoke the words: "Let us make man." (Gen.1:26)

Why would He do that? He wouldn't, unless He was taking advantage of His ability to NOT foresee if He so wished.

If you believe that God is all knowing, then chose not to know certain things. The logic would be He does not know all things as there are certain things He does not know. As according to most theological interpretations, God, being omniscient (all-knowing), does not "choose" not to know things; however, some argue that God may choose to withhold certain knowledge from humans, even though He knows it, for reasons like allowing free will or protecting us from overwhelming information.