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Paradise on Earth

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When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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[Replying to Capbook in post #3139]

What is all the commotion about? The "earth" can apply to the inhabitants thereof, as can be clearly seen from Genesis 11:1: "Now the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words." The land itself did not have a language, of course, it was the people on the land. Therefore, "earth" can mean those living on the earth.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:31 pm [Replying to Capbook in post #3139]

What is all the commotion about? The "earth" can apply to the inhabitants thereof, as can be clearly seen from Genesis 11:1: "Now the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words." The land itself did not have a language, of course, it was the people on the land. Therefore, "earth" can mean those living on the earth.

onewithhim,

It is very difficult to understand but some people can quote from dictionaries or Lexicons but cannot actually understand the information being conveyed.

The word "earth" can apply to the inhabitants thereof. But without grasping the concept of metonym : the concept of one word actually meaning something else (saying earth but meaning people) the person only LOOKS like they understand.

You and I might ASSUME Capbook agrees that in some scriptures the word EARTH its not speaking about the earth...but if you look over his posts he never actually says this in his own words. He only quotes ... copying and copying.

I am seeking to see if he can explain what he copy-pastes since it is impossible to understand scripture without grasping this notion.
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Re: Paradise on Earth

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:39 pm
Capbook wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:42 am
In these scriptures , when the bible says the word EARTH/land (erets) it is referring to [ inhabitannt of the land ] , we know this because the planet does not have vocal chords and cannot speak.
But what does "inhabitannt of the land" mean? The earth doesn't have vocal chords so who or what does "inhabitannt of the land" refer to ...insects? Elephants? Bacteria?

FILL IN THE BLANK : In these scriptures the "inhabitant of the land" refers to [all land inhabitants, not just a group of people as human society] *


* Can you think of a one word synonyme to help us understand who or what is being spoken of?
No lexicon?
I prefer lexicon as it define the word at the time of its usage.
Land inhabitants would also include animals.
Your definition confined to only group of humans, grouped themselves to common traditions, institutions, and collective activities and interests, but not found in lexicons.
See your fill in the blanks, I bolded it.
Hope you will see the difference.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:39 pm
Capbook wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:42 am
In these scriptures , when the bible says the word EARTH/land (erets) it is referring to [ inhabitannt of the land ] , we know this because the planet does not have vocal chords and cannot speak.
But what does "inhabitannt of the land" mean? The earth doesn't have vocal chords so who or what does "inhabitannt of the land" refer to ...insects? Elephants? Bacteria?

FILL IN THE BLANK : In these scriptures the "inhabitant of the land" refers to [all land inhabitants which include animals, not just a group of people as human society] *


* Can you think of a one word synonyme to help us understand who or what is being spoken of?
No lexicon?
I prefer lexicon as it define the word at the time of its usage.
Land inhabitants would also include animals.
Your definition confined to only group of humans, grouped themselves to common traditions, institutions, and collective activities and interests, but not found in lexicons.
See your fill in the blanks, I bolded it.
Hope you will see the difference.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #3142]

You and I might ASSUME Capbook agrees that in some scriptures the word EARTH its not speaking about the earth...but if you look over his posts he never actually says this in his own words. He only quotes ... copying and copying.

I will not add words to the Bible and also to lexicons as it defines words at the time of its usage.
You may define or interpret Bible words of your own like "human society" which nowhere in the Bible or lexicons.
That would be called a man's interpretation, not Bible verse by Bible verse interpretation.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:31 pm [Replying to Capbook in post #3139]

What is all the commotion about? The "earth" can apply to the inhabitants thereof, as can be clearly seen from Genesis 11:1: "Now the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words." The land itself did not have a language, of course, it was the people on the land. Therefore, "earth" can mean those living on the earth.
Yes, including animals.

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Re: Paradise on Earth

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Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:28 am
I will not add words to the Bible and also to lexicons as it defines words at the time of its usage.
Nobody is asking you to add words to the bible (or lexicons) but can you add words to your own posts? You just said ...
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 1:30 am Yes, including animals.
The 3 words "Yes, including animals" are not in the bible and I didnt read "Yes, including animals" in your lexicon, those are your own words from your own post. Can you explain in your own words what you just wrote. It seems to indicate to me that you believe there are metonyms in the bible, is that correct?
Are there any metonyms in scripture? Yes or no?
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Re: Paradise on Earth

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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #3147]

You and I might ASSUME Capbook agrees that in some scriptures the word EARTH its not speaking about the earth...but if you look over his posts he never actually says this in his own words. He only quotes ... copying and copying.

So, what do you think of saying my own words I colored blue above?
I copy Bible and lexicon words and not add my own.
We might be guilty of defining Bible words in our own (man's) interpretation of earth.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:29 am I copy Bible and lexicon words and not add my own.
Okay but can you answer a question I have about one of your posts? Your POSTS seem to indicate you think there are metonyms in the bible, is that correct?
Are there any metonyms in scripture? Yes or no?
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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #3149]
Okay but can you answer a question I have about one of your posts? Your POSTS seem to indicate you think there are metonyms in the bible, is that correct?
May you cite where in my post I think there are metonyms in the Bible?
Is lexicon not enough?

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