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Paradise on Earth

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When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:49 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:17 am ...inhabitants of the world could refer to all the people and etc.
So are you saying that the bible verses in question said earth (erets) but it MEANT people? How can that be? the earth / ground is a completely different thing to people. Please explain how ERETS ca be understood to be people.

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Capbook wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:59 am
OT:776
<END HEBREW> 'erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):

KJV - common, country, earth, field, ground, land, natins, way, wilderness, world.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)


I dont see the word PEOPLE there. Why are you now saying erets EARTH /LAND can mean people ? How ? Please explain.



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Please see definition #5. It did not say human society.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 3:11 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:49 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:17 am ...inhabitants of the world could refer to all the people and etc.
So are you saying that the bible verses in question said earth (erets) but it MEANT people? How can that be? the earth / ground is a completely different thing to people. Please explain how ERETS ca be understood to be people.

Remember when you posted this ....
Capbook wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:59 am
OT:776
<END HEBREW> 'erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):

KJV - common, country, earth, field, ground, land, natins, way, wilderness, world.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)


I dont see the word PEOPLE there. Why are you now saying erets EARTH /LAND can mean people ? How ? Please explain.



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...It did not say human society.
I'm not asking about that I'm asking about something YOU said or at least implied , namely that erets can mean PEOPLE. Can you explain what you mean ?
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:17 am
One lexicon definition of "earth" is world....And ...the world could refer to all the people
Please explain what you meant when you said the above.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 4:03 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 3:11 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:49 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:17 am ...inhabitants of the world could refer to all the people and etc.
So are you saying that the bible verses in question said earth (erets) but it MEANT people? How can that be? the earth / ground is a completely different thing to people. Please explain how ERETS ca be understood to be people.

Remember when you posted this ....
Capbook wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:59 am
OT:776
<END HEBREW> 'erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):

KJV - common, country, earth, field, ground, land, natins, way, wilderness, world.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)


I dont see the word PEOPLE there. Why are you now saying erets EARTH /LAND can mean people ? How ? Please explain.



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...It did not say human society.
I'm not asking about that I'm asking about something YOU said or at least implied , namely that erets can mean PEOPLE. Can you explain what you mean ?
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:17 am
One lexicon definition of "earth" is world....And ...the world could refer to all the people
Please explain what you meant when you said the above.

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For God so loved the world. (John 3:16)
Lexicon define world below, and see #5 definition. Do inhabitants of the world do not include people?


NT:2889 kosmos, kosmou, ho;
1. an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order
2. ornament, decoration, adornment: 1 Peter 3:3
3. the world, i. e. the universe Acts 17:24; Rom 4:13
4. the circle of the earth, the earth Mark 16:15
5. the inhabitants of the world: 1 Cor 4:9
6. the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ John 7:7
7. worldly affairs; the aggregate of things earthly; the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments, riches, advantages, pleasures, etc., which, although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ: Gal 6:14
8. any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort James 3:6
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

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Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:13 amDo inhabitants of the world do not include people?


But we are talking about Erets the earth not kosmos ...explain how erets can mean PEOPLE..
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:23 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:13 amDo inhabitants of the world do not include people?


But we are talking about Erets the earth not kosmos ...explain how erets can mean PEOPLE..
Do the inhabitants of the land does not include people? #6 definition. And again human society is not one of the many definition.

OT:776 'erets —land, earth
a) earth
1) whole earth (as opposed to a part)
2) earth (as opposed to heaven)
3) earth (inhabitants)b) land1) country, territory2) a district, a region3) a tribal territory
4) a piece of ground
5) the land of Canaan, Israel
6) the inhabitants of land
7) Sheol, a land without return, (under) world
8) city (-state)
c) the ground, the surface of the earth
1) the ground
2) the soil
d) (in phrases)
1) people of the land
2) the space or distance of country (in measurements of distance)
3) level country (a plain)
4) the land of the living
5) end(s) of the earth
e) (almost wholly late in usage); lands, countries; often in contrast to Canaan

(from The Online Bible Thayer's Greek Lexicon and Brown Driver & Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, Copyright © 1993, Woodside Bible Fellowship, Ontario, Canada. Licensed from the Institute for Creation Research.)

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Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:02 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:23 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:13 amDo inhabitants of the world do not include people?


But we are talking about Erets the earth not kosmos ...explain how erets can mean PEOPLE..
Do the inhabitants of the land does not include people? #6 definition. ..

OT:776 'erets —land, earth

6) the inhabitants of land


(from The Online Bible Thayer's Greek Lexicon and Brown Driver & Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, Copyright © 1993, Woodside Bible Fellowship, Ontario, Canada. Licensed from the Institute for Creation Research.)
You havent explained yourself. The word in the actual bible is EARTH (erets) what is this ... "The inhabitants of land"? There is only one word in the actual bible (erets) but you have made it four words, you have added 3 extra words. What are "the inhabitants of land" and how does that mean "the earth"?

You havent explained #6. Can you please do so.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 8:40 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:02 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:23 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 5:13 amDo inhabitants of the world do not include people?


But we are talking about Erets the earth not kosmos ...explain how erets can mean PEOPLE..
Do the inhabitants of the land does not include people? #6 definition. ..

OT:776 'erets —land, earth

6) the inhabitants of land


(from The Online Bible Thayer's Greek Lexicon and Brown Driver & Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, Copyright © 1993, Woodside Bible Fellowship, Ontario, Canada. Licensed from the Institute for Creation Research.)
You havent explained yourself. The word in the actual bible is EARTH (erets) what is this ... "The inhabitants of land"? There is only one word in the actual bible (erets) but you have made it four words, you have added 3 extra words. What are "the inhabitants of land" and how does that mean "the earth"?

You havent explained #6. Can you please do so.
Lexicon defined erets (earth), and one definition #6 is the inhabitants of land.
Is the lexicon wrong to you?
If not, then who are the inhabitants of land?
Human society is never a lexicon definition of erets (earth).
Don't you have lexicons? Can you share your human society definition from your lexicon.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:32 pm Lexicon defined erets (earth), and one definition #6 is the inhabitants of land.
I know that but what does " inhabitants of the earth" refer to and can you explain how to use that information in the lexicon #6 to come to an understanding of what ERETS means in the context of the scriptures quoted. Please try and use some of your own words to explain how the lexicon (point #6) helps us understand the verses below ....
GENESIS 11:9 King James Version

Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:
PSALMS 97:1 Douay-Rheims Bible

For the same David, when his land was restored again to him. The Lord hath reigned, let the earth rejoice: let many islands be glad.
PSALM 66:4 King James Bible
All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.
PSALM 76v8

The earth was afraid and was silent ...
FILL IN THE BLANKS:

In these scriptures , when the bible says the word EARTH/land (erets) it is not refering to the [............ ] it is in fact refering to [ ................... ] , we know this because the planet does not have vocal chords and cannot speak.



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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 12:53 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:32 pm Lexicon defined erets (earth), and one definition #6 is the inhabitants of land.
I know that but what does " inhabitants of the earth" refer to and can you explain how to use that information in the lexicon #6 to come to an understanding of what ERETS means in the context of the scriptures quoted. Please try and use some of your own words to explain how the lexicon (point #6) helps us understand the verses below ....
GENESIS 11:9 King James Version

Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:
PSALMS 97:1 Douay-Rheims Bible

For the same David, when his land was restored again to him. The Lord hath reigned, let the earth rejoice: let many islands be glad.
PSALM 66:4 King James Bible
All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.
PSALM 76v8

The earth was afraid and was silent ...
FILL IN THE BLANKS:

In these scriptures , when the bible says the word EARTH/land (erets) it is not refering to the [............ ] it is in fact refering to [ ................... ] , we know this because the planet does not have vocal chords and cannot speak.



"The language of all the earth, let the earth rejoice, the earth was afraid and all the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing." That all belongs to definition #6.
Why don't you show your lexicon that it defined earth as human society?
All these will be settled.


In these scriptures , when the bible says the word EARTH/land (erets) it is not refering to the human society it is in fact refering to [ inhabitannt of the land ] , we know this because the planet does not have vocal chords and cannot speak.

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Capbook wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:42 am
In these scriptures , when the bible says the word EARTH/land (erets) it is referring to [ inhabitannt of the land ] , we know this because the planet does not have vocal chords and cannot speak.
But what does "inhabitannt of the land" mean? The earth doesn't have vocal chords so who or what does "inhabitannt of the land" refer to ...insects? Elephants? Bacteria?

FILL IN THE BLANK : In these scriptures the "inhabitant of the land" refers to [..........] *


* Can you think of a one word synonyme to help us understand who or what is being spoken of?
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