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Paradise on Earth

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When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
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Re: Paradise on Earth

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 3:39 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:58 am
There will be a literal first earth and literal new earth after God's judgement. (Rev 21)
Revelation 21 is nit speaking about the literal earth (planet). It is symbolic language referring to human society.


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How your lexicon define "earth"?

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2024 6:25 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:58 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:20 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:54 pm
Revelations won wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:24 am Dear Onewithhim,

One can express their private interpretations infinitely, But is all this talk about living forever on "this earth" of any value? Is this really your end goal?

Personally I for one do not look forward to living forever on "this earth" forever.

Should not all seek a loftier goal?

Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

So you should consider the clear fact that "this earth" and the heaven will both pass away according to Revelation 21.

I for one would look forward to living in the realm of a new heaven and a new earth.

This new heaven and new earth will also be a place wherein as stated that God will be also present and living with his faithful followers!

Since you have also stated that you also reject all latter day revelation, then I find it mighty strange that according to your private doctrine you would therefore have your God living with you and he neither could or would reveal or communicate with you forever????
God will not live with us literally, as I have explained. He will "live with" us the same as he did in times past with the nation of Israel. He said he would live with them, but did he literally come down out of heaven? No, and does Jesus literally live with us? After all he said that he would be with us until the end of the age. No, neither one is or will literally live with us. (See Exodus 29:45; Matthew 28:20.)

When it says that the world will be burned up and destroyed, it does not mean the literal earth. It is the "ungodly people" that are destroyed.

"The world of [Noah's] time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment, and of destruction of the ungodly men." (2Peteer 3:6,7)

Did the literal earth become destroyed in Noah's day? (Matthew 24:37) No, and it will not be destroyed in the future. (Ecclesiastes 1:4) The "new heavens" means the form of government will change from men's government to the Kingdom with Christ as King (Isaiah 9:6,7). The "new earth" means a new society of people, righteous people, with no more evil individuals around to make life difficult. (What is "the earth" in this scripture? "Now all the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words." (Genesis 11:1) It isn't the literal earth, is it? No, it's the people on the earth. Same with the "earth" being destroyed as mentioned by Peter. It is not the literal earth, but the people on it that are evil.
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The two cities, Sodom and Gommorah were part of earth was turned to ashes. 2Pet 2:6. And it's nowhere to find. There will be a literal first earth and literal new earth after God's judgement. (Rev 21)

May I know what verse refers "earth" as the ungodly people?

If Jesus will not live with the saved that gives light to the city, how is it as there will no night there?

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
What is "a literal first earth" and "literal new earth"? Can you explain please?

Jesus will always live with the anointed saved ones that live with him in heaven. The spirit realm will always have light.

I explained about the ungodly men in a recent post. See 2Peter 3:5-7. The earth was not destroyed in Noah's day, but only ungodly people, right? The same with the coming destruction. The literal earth will remain. It is the "ungodly men" that will be destroyed. What is about this that you find hard to understand?
The Bible mentioned new heaven and new earth, first heaven and earth passed away. (Rev 21) And the holy city as new Jerusalem. God says He will make all things new, and His words are true. Why you make them false?

Rev 21:5
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
KJV


The holy city, new Jerusalem is going down from heaven. The ungodly resurrected on earth will compassed the saints in the beloved city. Why you still believe the saint are still in heaven?

Rev 20:9
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
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Re: Paradise on Earth

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Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:12 am What is "a literal first earth" and "literal new earth"? Can you explain please?
The first earth that passed away with the flood was obviously not the LITERAL earth, since we are living on the same planet Noah lived on before the flood. But God destroyed the figurative earth meaning God destroyed the human society of wicked humans. In the same way he will destroy the PRESENT figurative earth that exists today (meaning the present human society)

The literal planet earth will stand forever and never be destroyed.
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Re: Paradise on Earth

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:06 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:12 am
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
What is "a literal first earth" and "literal new earth"? Can you explain please?
The first earth that passed away with the flood was obviously not the LITERAL earth, since we are living on the same planet Noah lived on before the flood. But God destroyed the figurative earth meaning God destroyed the human society of wicked humans.
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How your lexicon define earth?

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Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:07 am How your lexicon define earth?
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
All the earth shall worship thee - That is, all the inhabitants of the world
#5. The inhabitants of the globe.
KING JAMES BIBLE DICTIONARY Earth

https://kingjamesbibledictionary.com/Dictionary/earth
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Re: Paradise on Earth

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 11:45 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:07 am How your lexicon define earth?
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
All the earth shall worship thee - That is, all the inhabitants of the world
#5. The inhabitants of the globe.
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Re: Paradise on Earth

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Capbook wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:53 am When you outside in your lawn, are you standing on the inhabitants of the region?
Does your lawn speak spanish?

DOES THE WORD "EARTH" IN THE BIBLE ALWAYS REFER TO THE LITERAL PLANET?

GENESIS 11:9 King James Version

Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:
PSALMS 97:1 Douay-Rheims Bible

For the same David, when his land was restored again to him. The Lord hath reigned, let the earth rejoice: let many islands be glad.
PSALM 66:4 King James Bible
All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.

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I don't think I mentioned anything about that in my post in this conversation; but my post was with regard to your comment about the Garden of Eden once existing; and what that garden might BE.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 11:27 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:53 am When you outside in your lawn, are you standing on the inhabitants of the region?
Does your lawn speak spanish?

DOES THE WORD "EARTH" IN THE BIBLE ALWAYS REFER TO THE LITERAL PLANET?

GENESIS 11:9 King James Version

Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:
PSALMS 97:1 Douay-Rheims Bible

For the same David, when his land was restored again to him. The Lord hath reigned, let the earth rejoice: let many islands be glad.
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All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.

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How about Genesis 1:1 does the "earth" there speak Spanish?

OT:776
erets (eh'-rets); from an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land):
KJV - common, country, earth, field, ground, land, natins, way, wilderness, world.
(New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary)

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Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 3:52 am
How about Genesis 1:1 ...
How about you explain the following scriptures first?

GENESIS 11:9 King James Version

Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:
PSALMS 97:1 Douay-Rheims Bible

For the same David, when his land was restored again to him. The Lord hath reigned, let the earth rejoice: let many islands be glad.
PSALM 66:4 King James Bible
All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.
PSALM 76v8

The earth was afraid and was silent ...
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