Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws

[oldbadger]

Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws

It most certainly did!
Would anybody like to challenge that ?

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Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws

It most certainly did!
Would anybody like to challenge that ?

Please give one example?

Same sex couples? Not mentioned by Jesus.

Careless about wealth? Mentioned by Jesus.

Sorry, I don't see how Christians cherry picked those from the 613 Mosaic laws.

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Junking all the dietary laws? Specifically. The wrangle with the pharisees about cleaning the outside of cup and bowl, with mark specifically explaining that Jesus thus declared all foods clean.

I think the law is still valid, people should not eat anything unclean. And obviously, if something is now clean, it is not a problem to eat it. However, I understand it may be difficult to believe. In that case it is better not to eat the thing one thinks is not clean.

[TRANSPONDER]

Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws

It most certainly did!
Would anybody like to challenge that ?

Please give one example?

Same sex couples? Not mentioned by Jesus.

Careless about wealth? Mentioned by Jesus.

Sorry, I don't see how Christians cherry picked those from the 613 Mosaic laws.

Apart from the one about ritual cleanliness and dietary laws, Jesus taught that the Temple and sabbath was not important. Of course this is just Pauline propaganda put into Jesus' mouth.

Of course Church and Sabbath are all important in Christianity, so not only did Christianity cherry pick from Judaism, but Christianity cherry picks from Jesus' teachings.

But don't fret if you failed to 'See' that. So far as i know, nobody else does, either.

Junking all the dietary laws? Specifically. The wrangle with the pharisees about cleaning the outside of cup and bowl, with mark specifically explaining that Jesus thus declared all foods clean.

I think the law is still valid, people should not eat anything unclean. And obviously, if something is now clean, it is not a problem to eat it. However, I understand it may be difficult to believe. In that case it is better not to eat the thing one thinks is not clean.

Yes, yes, but 'clean' in terms of hygiene is one thing, 'clean' because of a religious ruling is not a good reason.

Ideally, I have a lot of sympathy for vegetarians. Though when I stayed with my sister (when American corporate greed broke the global economy and I needed family help to get back on my feet) and I took over the cooking and she'd invite guests, I'd suddenly hear 'Oh, I can't eat this and I can't eat that'. And my sis went vegetarian for a while but went back to canivoracity and in fact I'm light on meat and have prawns as often as anything else. Which is one reason to be glad my culture is Christian rather than Muslim. I have to confess, though, that in all my Asian months I never got into the popular bug - eating.

[oldbadger]

Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws

It most certainly did!
Would anybody like to challenge that ?

Please give one example?

Same sex couples? Not mentioned by Jesus.

Careless about wealth? Mentioned by Jesus.

Sorry, I don't see how Christians cherry picked those from the 613 Mosaic laws.

Fair enough.....so I opened the bible to Deuteronomy and saw this.....

Leviticus 14:8 the pig is also unclean.......... You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcases.

[TRANSPONDER]

Christianity cherry-picked from the 613 Mosaic laws

It most certainly did!
Would anybody like to challenge that ?

Please give one example?

Same sex couples? Not mentioned by Jesus.

Careless about wealth? Mentioned by Jesus.

Sorry, I don't see how Christians cherry picked those from the 613 Mosaic laws.

Fair enough.....so I opened the bible to Deuteronomy and saw this.....

Leviticus 14:8 the pig is also unclean.......... You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.

That is what we in the trade call a Slam dunque. Since Paul's fellow citizens were hooked on the oldest narcotic in the world...bacon...he had to refribb Messianic Judaism to get rid of those pesky Mosaic laws. and I must say I am thankful for that and the Christian knights, without which Western pork might have gone the way of Bacon in Malaysia. The full breakfast there is defiled by a Chicken sausage. Still, when in Rome..... croissants,

[oldbadger]

I think the law is still valid, people should not eat anything unclean. And obviously, if something is now clean, it is not a problem to eat it. However, I understand it may be difficult to believe. In that case it is better not to eat the thing one thinks is not clean.

That is a very interesting post.
So the 'now' situation can change the 'then' situation all those thousands of years ago?
That's a very good point, and it answers the law that a man must take only one woman and that they should have children. Back then the people that had lots of children could keep strong and even grow stronger, but of course 'now' the world is too full and there maybe same-sex marriages break no rules and do nothing to weaken a nation?

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... Jesus taught that the Temple and sabbath was not important.

Please explain why do you think so?

Yes, yes, but 'clean' in terms of hygiene is one thing, 'clean' because of a religious ruling is not a good reason.

What if the religious ruling is because of actual health reasons, like hygiene?

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Leviticus 14:8 the pig is also unclean.......... You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcases.

I think that law is still valid, in Christians point of view, people should not eat unclean things. The problem with that is, it can be so that a pig is cleaned so that it is not anymore unclean and therefore not prohibited. Many Christians think it is not unclean anymore, after it has been cleaned, and therefore it is not wrong and against the law to eat it. Can you say they are wrong?

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I think the law is still valid, people should not eat anything unclean. And obviously, if something is now clean, it is not a problem to eat it. However, I understand it may be difficult to believe. In that case it is better not to eat the thing one thinks is not clean.

That is a very interesting post.
So the 'now' situation can change the 'then' situation all those thousands of years ago?
That's a very good point, and it answers the law that a man must take only one woman and that they should have children. Back then the people that had lots of children could keep strong and even grow stronger, but of course 'now' the world is too full and there maybe same-sex marriages break no rules and do nothing to weaken a nation?

Thanks. Maybe my answer should have been clearer, because it is not related to time really. The same has always been, if something is clean, it is not a problem.

Why do you think world is too full? I don't think that is true. All of world people would still fit on the ice of biggest lake in Finland. I think we have lot of room. The problem is more likely that there are few people who want it all to themselves.

But, I don't think people must get kids. And I don't think Bible tells people must marry to get kids.

And same-sex marriages are not forbidden in the Bible. That doesn't mean it is good to have them. I think it is irrational and also basically evil mocking of God. Yet, i don't think those weakens the nation. What weakens a nation is the matter that influences behind all the wrong, bad, or stupid actions. If people are stupid and evil, it leads to bad situations.

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... Jesus taught that the Temple and sabbath was not important.

Please explain why do you think so?

Yes, yes, but 'clean' in terms of hygiene is one thing, 'clean' because of a religious ruling is not a good reason.

What if the religious ruling is because of actual health reasons, like hygiene?

Because of Jesus healing on the sabbath. The pretext is that it is ok to break the Sabbath law (no work) if it is to do good. This is NOT an excuse to break God's law. The point is made most clear in David and the Shewbread where David (who was a sinner anyway) was permitted by the priest after answering a few questions to make sure it was ok. And David was not perfect anyway.

This in no way excuses skipping the sabbath and doing work, even though it is as technical an infringement as husking grain to eat. You don't play games with God's law.

The reason for this is made clear 'Something greater than the temple is hear'. It is Pauline doctrine that Jesus made the old laws obsolete. And Nobody Ever Talks About It. Not even Bible critics. Why is this?

Now, you tell me why that is not one of God's commandments that Paul taught Gentile Christians to break and pretend that it was Jesus that said it.

Now, as to hygiene reasons, sure, but like a stopped clock, that a religion gets a law right for good reasons is down to the credit of humans and not gods.

Obviously I don't care about religious laws on diet. No god is going to get between me and my bacon and the Islamic arguments about why a pig is unclean don't move me. Same with prawns. Mosaic law (in its' islamic iteration, too), ban two of my favorite foods, so they both get shewn the door, thank you gentlemen.

So whatever the point here, religion gets nothing out of it but reasons to do away with it. If we ban something is should be for scientific reasons, not religious.