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JESUS IS NOT GOD

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I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:31 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:25 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:17 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:05 pm Good, so it did refer to Jesus Christ just like Barne's said about 1John5:20.
The passage makes reference to Jesus Christ. I disagree with Barne's conclusion about what its saying about that One.

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As always you can disagree ...
I do disagree with Barnes on this matter. I might not on another subject.
The title of this Thread is "Jesus is not God."
To that I prove that Jesus is God in Phil 2:6.

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Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:43 pm To that I prove that Jesus is God in Phil 2:6.
I have seen no such proof.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:43 pm To that I prove that Jesus is God in Phil 2:6.
I have seen no such proof.
Jesus being in the form of God, that proves Jesus is God.

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Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:48 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:43 pm To that I prove that Jesus is God in Phil 2:6.
I have seen no such proof.
Jesus being in the form of God, that proves Jesus is God.
No it doesn't.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:50 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:48 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:43 pm To that I prove that Jesus is God in Phil 2:6.
I have seen no such proof.
Jesus being in the form of God, that proves Jesus is God.
No it doesn't.
Why it doesn't? Could it be a symbol then.
Lexicon define "form" as external appearance.
It would be as, Jesus being in the external appearance of God. that proves Jesus is God.

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Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:58 pm
Why it doesn't? Could it be a symbol then.
Lexicon define "form" as external appearance.
It would be as, Jesus being in the external appearance of God. that proves Jesus is God.
Form as in Jesus was created un God's image.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:01 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:58 pm
Why it doesn't? Could it be a symbol then.
Lexicon define "form" as external appearance.
It would be as, Jesus being in the external appearance of God. that proves Jesus is God.
Form as in Jesus was created un God's image.
What lexicon that says that?

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Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:04 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:01 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:58 pm
Why it doesn't? Could it be a symbol then.
Lexicon define "form" as external appearance.
It would be as, Jesus being in the external appearance of God. that proves Jesus is God.
Form as in Jesus was created in God's image.
What lexicon that says that?
COLOSSIANS 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God,
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Romans 14:8

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:43 am
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:04 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:01 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:58 pm
Why it doesn't? Could it be a symbol then.
Lexicon define "form" as external appearance.
It would be as, Jesus being in the external appearance of God. that proves Jesus is God.
Form as in Jesus was created in God's image.
What lexicon that says that?
COLOSSIANS 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God,
I mean what lexicon that define "form" in Phil 2:6 that suits your interpretation?

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