Please Challenge This Hypothesis

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After years of debate, one topic seems to remain without waiver and/or adjustment. I'm placing this topic here, in the forefront/spotlight, to expose it to direct challenge. I will be more than happy than to (waiver from/augment/abort) this hypothesis, baring evidence to the contrary....

Hypothesis: The reason most/all believe in (God/gods/higher powers) is because of evolution. Meaning, 'survival of the fitter." Meaning, all humans who favored type 2 errors over type 1 errors are now mostly gone. We inherit our parent's predisposition to invoke type 1 errors, until otherwise logically necessary. Meaning, few will still BECOME atheists after "going to the well enough times" and not seeing God there.

Allow me to explain. In this context, a type 1 error would be first assuming intentional agency, and being wrong -- (good or bad). Alternatively, a type 2 error would be not to first assume intentional agency, and being wrong.

1) Walking down a dirt path, from point A to point B, and hearing a rustle in the weeds, and first assuming danger, would be a type 1 error IF incorrect. This person would still be alive if they are wrong. Maybe it was actually just the wind. Alternatively, if one was to instead first assume no danger, the wind, but there was danger, this person has first committed a type 2 error and is now likely out of the gene pool. And since this has been happening for a long time, we only have the ones who first invoke type 1 errors.

2) Getting in a car wreck with 3 friends.... Your 3 friends die, but you live. You assume you are purposefully spared. IF you are wrong, there is really no harm and no way to know. There is really also no way to confirm you were not spared. Hence, your possible type 1 error is never confirmed/corrected. Which means you can and will continue to attribute agency, where there may not really be any.

In essence, you first assume agency, until proven otherwise. For God, it is never really unproven. Humans connect the dots, accept the hits and ignore the misses, other...

For debate: Is this is viable reason why most believe in a higher power? Is this also why other arguments, against god(s), hardly change the believer's mind?

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How do you understand this...

But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets."

I understand it as it is written. And if one loves others as themselves, they do nothing wrong to others. And loving God means one keeps His commandments.

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.
1 John 5:3

I am curious about this...

But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets."

My religion is love...









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...Of course they would have seen the same things. ..

You are inventing stuff not in the Bible, why? If Bible is wrong, you don't need to invent own stuff to make it look wrong.

Remember that according to John she didn't even know what had happened to Jesus....

It seems to me that you don't even read the book, or what I say, just make up stuff and hope people don't notice and check things.

12 and she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head, and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 They told her, "Woman, why are you weeping?" She said to them, "Because they have taken away my Lord, and I don't know where they have laid him."
14 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing, and didn't know that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus said to her, "Woman, why are you weeping? Who are you looking for?" She, supposing him to be the gardener, said to him, "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away."
16 Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned and said to him, "Rhabbouni!" which is to say, "Teacher!"
17 Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had said these things to her.
John 20:12-18

But that was after Mary had run back to the disciples. Up to then, she (and the other one the "We" she mentioned) hadn't seen Jesus nor an angel explaining everything.

Yes, the whole story went so that when the women got to the tomb and noticed the tomb empty, Mary ran to tell it to Peter and John, while the other women stayed on the tomb. While Mary was running, the other women saw the angel and heard the message and left to tell it to the others. After they had left Mary, Peter and John arrived to the tomb, found it empty and Peter and John left, Mary stayed and then saw the angels and also Jesus. And then she told with the other women what had happened.

Not according to Luke 24.9 When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense.

Even if you propose the 'splitting up' story, which is nowhere in the accounts and you (or whoever proposed this, as I have heaerd it before0, they all told the discipples what they had seen and heard.

This contradicts John who has Mary (and the other or others as she says "We) who thinks some people took the body away. She knows the tomb was empty but there was no angelic explanation.

And all this conflicts with matthew who says they ran into Jesus.

Luke later has Cleophas relate what the women saw (an angel who said that Jesus was risen) and that was after the disciples had gone to look at the tomb and reported back or how could V Cleophas know about it?

It is after they reported back that we get John's story of the angels in the tomb and Jesus appearing to mary, not before the disciples went to look at the tomb.

I can draw you a map, and one has to put this all together, but the fact is, we have a contradiction here and a Biggie and your explanations to with it away don't wash.,

You either accept that the accounts totally contradict (and cannot be trusted and should be considered inventions) or you simply ignore and deny what the Bible actually says. Like the pernicious "It does not use those words" ploy. It doesn't say the women split up, either. That is 'making stuff up'.

Which is it?

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Not according to Luke 24.9 When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense.

Even if you propose the 'splitting up' story, which is nowhere in the accounts ...

John clearly tells Mary left to tell the other disciples, which suggests there was a split up. And obviously Luke shows they got back together later and told the things they had seen.

But, you can insist that it didn't happen. However, that is just your belief, not what is said in the Bible.

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I am curious about this...

But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets."

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Ok, i think that means, if you love others, you don't do anything wrong to others. And then you keep the law, because the law is against the wrong things, like murder, stealing, lying...

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Not according to Luke 24.9 When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10 It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense.

Even if you propose the 'splitting up' story, which is nowhere in the accounts ...

John clearly tells Mary left to tell the other disciples, which suggests there was a split up. And obviously Luke shows they got back together later and told the things they had seen.

But, you can insist that it didn't happen. However, that is just your belief, not what is said in the Bible.

John also says 'We' which implies they were all together. If she was on her own, she couln't speak to what the others knew or did not.

Thus John contradicts the synoptics about an angel at the tomb explaining everything and they both contradict matthew who says they all ran into Jesus while running away to the disciples.

Mark has nothing about the appearances after the empty tomb, never mind the ascension and this does imply the accounts were made up, and that is why they contradict.

Now, I recall I asked and i ask again, In trying to pass off the appearance of angels and Jesus in John after they reported back to the disciples with them seeing angels and Jesus Before reporting back to the disciples, did you not know what was in your Bible or just hoping that I didn't?

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I am curious about this...

But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets."

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Ok, i think that means, if you love others, you don't do anything wrong to others. And then you keep the law, because the law is against the wrong things, like murder, stealing, lying...

I agree. 'Love' (of others)( means you don;'t do anything bad to them. Natural law makes for dealing morally with others, irrespective of religion. In fact the Golden rule is irreligious and makes religion irrelevant. Religions rwquire not only 'Love' but Faith in some Dogma or other and that is what is needed to be saved.

Morality is needed to make sure that salvation is not lost by sinning, but it is not what saves.

Luke 18.22
Now when Jesus heard these things, He said unto him, "Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in Heaven; and come, follow Me."

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John also says 'We' ...

Sorry, I am not sure what do you mean, please show where he says "we"?

If she was on her own, she couln't speak to what the others knew or did not.

Why, she could have talked with them and then tell the things. Or, I think she told her part of the story. What is said in the Gospels doesn't really require that they all said the exact same things.

Now, I recall I asked and i ask again, In trying to pass off the appearance of angels and Jesus in John after they reported back to the disciples with them seeing angels and Jesus Before reporting back to the disciples, did you not know what was in your Bible or just hoping that I didn't?

You must be joking.

Any way, here is again how the tomb stories can be combined without contradictions.

Mark. 16:1 And the sabbath passing, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome, bought spices, so that coming they might anoint Him.
Note! There was two Shabbat days. The Shabbat day of feast of unleavened bread and weekly Shabbat. Apparently after first Shabbat, Friday, spices were prepared and after second Shabbat they were brought to the tomb.
Mark. 16:2 And very early on the first of the week, the sun having risen, they came upon the tomb.
Matt.28:1 But after the sabbaths, at the dawning of the first of the sabbaths, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the grave.
(Mark. 16:3 And they said to themselves, Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?)
(Luke 24:1 But on the first of the sabbaths, while still very early, they came on the tomb, carrying spices which they prepared; and some were with them.)
Matt.28:2 And, behold! A great earthquake occurred! For descending from Heaven and coming near, an angel of the Lord rolled away the stone from the door and was sitting on it.
Matt.28:3 And his face was as lightning and his clothing white as snow.
Matt.28:4 And those keeping guard were shaken from the fear of him, and they became as dead.
Note! Apparently, the earthquake and rolling of the stone was seen only by the guards, not the women that vent to the tomb.
Mark. 16:4 And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled back; for it was very large.
Luke 24:2 And they found the stone having been rolled away from the tomb.
John:20:1 But on the first of the week, Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, darkness yet being on it . And she saw the stone had been removed from the tomb.
Luke 24:3 And going in, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
John:20:2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, They took away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they laid Him.
Note! Apparently, Mary left the tomb, while other women stayed at the tomb.
Mark. 16:5 And entering into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right, having been clothed in a white robe. And they were much amazed.
Luke 24:4 And it happened, as they were perplexed about this, even behold, two men in shining clothing stood by them.
Luke 24:5 And they becoming terrified, and bowing their faces to the earth, they said to them, Why do you seek the living with the dead?
Matt.28:5 But answering, the angel said to the women, You must not fear, for I know that you seek Jesus who has been crucified.
Matt.28:6 He is not here, for He was raised, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord was lying.
(Mark. 16:6 But He said to them, Do not be amazed. You seek Jesus the Nazarene who has been crucified. He was raised. He is not here. See the place where they put Him?)
(Luke 24:6 He is not here, but was raised. Remember how He spoke to you, yet being in Galilee,)
Luke 24:7 saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and to be crucified, and the third day to rise again.
Luke 24:8 And they remembered His words.
7 And going quickly say to His disciples that He was raised from the dead. And behold! He goes before you into Galilee. You will see Him there. Behold! I told you.
Mark. 16:7 But go, say to the disciples and to Peter, He goes before you into Galilee. You will see Him there, even as He told you.
Matt.28:8 And going away from the tomb quickly, with fear and great joy, they ran to report to His disciples.
Mark. 16:8 And going out quickly, they fled from the tomb. And trembling and ecstasy took hold of them. And they told no one, not a thing, for they were afraid.
Note!, some think that this means they never told about the matter to anyone ever. If that would be the case, we would not have this story. That is why it is reasonable to think they only didnt tell on their way about it.
John:20:3 Then Peter and the other disciple went out and came to the tomb.
John:20:4 And the two ran together, and the other disciple ran in front more quickly than Peter and came first to the tomb.
John:20:5 And stooping down, he saw the linens lying; however, he did not go in.
John:20:6 Then Simon Peter came following him, and went into the tomb and saw the linens lying.
John:20:7 And the grave cloth which was on His head was not lying with the linens, but was wrapped up in one place by itself.
John:20:8 Therefore, then the other disciple also entered, he having come first to the tomb, even he saw and believed.
John:20:9 For they did not yet know the Scripture, that it was necessary for Him to rise from the dead.
John:20:10 Then the disciples went away again to themselves.
John:20:11 But Mary stood outside at the tomb, weeping. Then as she wept, she stooped down into the tomb.
John:20:12 And she saw two angels in white, sitting one at the head, and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
John:20:13 And they said to her, Woman, why do you weep? She said to them, Because they took away my Lord, and I do not know where they put Him.
John:20:14 And saying these things, she turned backward and saw Jesus standing, and did not know that it was Jesus.
Note! Apparently, the other women had left some other route from the tomb, because didnt see Peter and May on their way. Also, the disciples that came with Mary, left and Mary stayed alone there for a while.
(Mark. 16:9 And rising early on the first of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.)
John:20:15 Jesus said to her, Woman, why do you weep? Whom do you seek? Thinking that it was the gardener, she said to Him, Sir, if you carried Him away, tell me where you put Him, and I will take Him away.
John:20:16 Jesus said to her, Mary! Turning around, she said to Him, Rabboni! (that is to say, Teacher).
John:20:17 Jesus said to her, Do not touch Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father. But go to My brothers and say to them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God, and your God.
John:20:18 Mary Magdalene came bringing word to the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that He told her these things.
(Mark. 16:10 That one had gone and reported to those who had been with Him, who were mourning and weeping.)
Mark. 16:11 And those hearing that He lives, and was seen by her, they did not believe.
Mark. 16:12 And after these things, He was revealed in a different form to two of them walking and going into the country.
Matt.28:9 But as they were going to report to His disciples, behold, Jesus also met them, saying, Hail! And coming near, they seized His feet and worshiped Him.
Note! Worship = to kiss the hand, or to kneel and show homage to superior rank, for example high priest.
Matt.28:10 Then Jesus said to them, Do not fear. Go tell your brothers that they may go into Galilee, and there they will see Me.
Luke 24:9 And returning from the tomb, they reported all these things to the Eleven, and to all the rest.
Mark. 16:13 And going, those reported to the rest. Neither did they believe those.
Luke 24:10 And they were Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary mother of James, and the rest with them, who told these things to the apostles.
Luke 24:11 And their words seemed like foolishness to them, and they did not believe them.
Luke 24:12 But rising up, Peter ran to the tomb, and stooping down he saw the linen lying alone. And he went away wondering to himself at what had happened.
Matt.28:11 And they, having gone, behold, some of the guard coming into the city reported to the chief priests all things that occurred.
Matt.28:12 And being assembled with the elders, and taking counsel, they gave enough silver to the soldiers,
Matt.28:13 saying, Say that his disciples came and stole him by night, we being asleep.
Matt.28:14 And if this is heard by the governor, we will persuade him and will make you free from anxiety.
Matt.28:15 And taking the silver, they did as they were taught. And this report was spread by the Jews until today.
Note! Matt. 28:11-15 is a separate story line that seems to have happened as the same time with other events. Apparently guards told what they had witnessed in the city, while many disciples did other things.
Luke 24:13 And, behold, two of them were going on the same day to a village being sixty stadia distant from Jerusalem, which was named Emmaus.
Luke 24:14 And they talked to each other about all these things taking place.
Luke 24:15 And it happened, as they talked and reasoned, coming near, Jesus Himself traveled with them.
Luke 24:16 But their eyes were held so as not to recognize Him.
Luke 24:17 And He said to them, What words are these which you exchange with each other while walking, and are sad of face?
Luke 24:18 And answering, one of them whose name was Cleopas, said to Him, Are you only one who resides in Jerusalem and do not know the things happening in it in these days?
Luke 24:19 And He said to them, What things? And they said to Him, The things concerning Jesus the Nazarene, who was a man, a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people;
Luke 24:20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to the judgment of death, and crucified Him .
Luke 24:21 But we were hoping that He is the One going to redeem Israel. But then with all these things, this third day comes today since these things happened.
Luke 24:22 And also some of our women astounded us, having been early at the tomb,
Luke 24:23 and not finding His body, they came saying to have seen a vision of angels also, who say Him to be alive.
Luke 24:24 And some of those with us went to the tomb, and found it so , even as the women also said; but they did not see Him.
Luke 24:25 And He said to them, O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe on all things which the prophets spoke!
Luke 24:26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things, and to enter into His glory?
Luke 24:27 And beginning from Moses, and from all the prophets, He explained to them the things about Himself in all the Scriptures.
Luke 24:28 And they drew near to the village where they were going, and He seemed to be going further.
Luke 24:29 And they constrained Him, saying, Stay with us, for it is toward evening, and the day has declined. And He went in to stay with them.
Luke 24:30 And it happened as He reclined with them, taking the loaf, He blessed, and breaking He gave to them.
Luke 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew Him. And He became invisible from them.
Luke 24:32 And they said to one another, Was not our heart burning in us as He spoke to us in the highway, and as He opened up to us the Scriptures?
Luke 24:33 And rising up in the same hour, they went back to Jerusalem, and they found the Eleven, and those with them, having been gathered,
Luke 24:34 saying, The Lord really was raised and appeared to Simon.
Luke 24:35 And they related the things in the highway, and how He was known to them in the breaking of the loaf.
Matt.28:16 But the eleven disciples went into Galilee, to the mount where Jesus appointed them.
Mark. 16:14 Afterward, as they reclined, He was revealed to the Eleven. And He reproached their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him, having been raised.
(Luke 24:36 And as they were telling these things, Jesus Himself stood in their midst, and said to them, Peace to you!)
(John:20:19 Then it being evening on that day, the first of the sabbaths, and the doors having been locked where the disciples were assembled, because of fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst and said to them, Peace to you.)
Luke 24:37 But being terrified and filled with fear, they thought they saw a spirit.
Matt.28:17 And seeing Him, they worshiped Him. But they doubted.
Luke 24:38 And He said to them, Why are you troubled? And why do reasonings come up in your hearts.
Luke 24:39 See My hands and My feet, that I am He? Feel Me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having.
Luke 24:40 And saying this, He showed them His hands and feet
(John:20:20 And saying this, He showed them His hands and side. Then seeing the Lord, the disciples rejoiced.)
Luke 24:41 But yet they not believing from the joy, and marveling, He said to them, Have you any food here?
Luke 24:42 And they handed a broiled part of a fish to Him, and from a honeycomb.
Luke 24:43 And taking these before them, He ate.
Luke 24:44 And He said to them, These are the words which I spoke to you yet being with you, that must be fulfilled all the things having been written in the Law of Moses, and the Prophets, and the Psalms, concerning Me.
Luke 24:45 Then He opened up their mind to understand the Scriptures,
Luke 24:46 and said to them, So it is written, and so the Christ must suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day. No OT passage
Luke 24:47 And repentance and remission of sins must be preached on His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luke 24:48 And you are witnesses of th48 And you are witnesses of these things.
Matt.28:18 And coming up Jesus talked with them, saying, All authority in Heaven and on earth was given to Me.
Mark. 16:15 And He said to them, Going into all the world, preach the gospel to all the creation.
Matt.28:19 Going, then, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Matt.28:20 teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the completion of the age. Amen.
Mark. 16:16 The one believing and being baptized will be saved. And the one not believing will be condemned.
Mark. 16:17 And signs will follow to those believing these things: they will cast out demons in My name; they will speak new languages;
Mark. 16:18 they will take up snakes; and if they drink anything deadly, it will in no way hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will be well.
Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send forth the promise of My Father on you. But you sit in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high.
Luke 24:50 He led them out as far as to Bethany. And lifting up His hands, He blessed them.
John:20:21 Then Jesus said to them again, Peace to you. As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.
John:20:22 And saying this, He breathed on them and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit.
John:20:23 Of whomever you forgive the sins, they are forgiven to them. Or whomever you may retain, they are retained.
Luke 24:51 And it happened as He blessed them, He withdrew from them and was carried into Heaven.
Mark. 16:19 Then indeed, after speaking to them, the Lord was taken up into Heaven, and sat off the right of God. Psa. 110:1
Luke 24:52 And worshiping Him, they returned to Jerusalem with great joy,
Mark. 16:20 And going out, they preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word by the signs following. Amen.
Luke 24:53 and were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
John:20:24 But Thomas, one of the Twelve, the one called Twin, was not with them when Jesus came.
John:20:25 Then the other disciples said to him, We have seen the Lord. But he said to them, Unless I see the mark of the nails in His hands, and thrust my finger into the mark of the nails, and thrust my hand into His side, in no way will I believe.
John:20:26 And after eight days, His disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. The door having been locked, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said, Peace to you.
John:20:27 Then He said to Thomas, Bring your finger here and see My hands, and bring your hand and thrust into My side, and be not unbelieving, but believing.
John:20:28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
John:20:29 Jesus said to him, Because you have seen Me, Thomas, you have believed. Blessed are the ones not seeing and believing.
John:20:30 Then truly Jesus did many other miracles in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book.
John:20:31 But these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

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I agree. 'Love' (of others)( means you don;'t do anything bad to them.

Nice.

Natural law makes for dealing morally with others, irrespective of religion.

What makes it natural law? Humans don't seem to act on it naturally.

In fact the Golden rule is irreligious and makes religion irrelevant.

I think Christianity, as Jesus taught it, is not actually a religion. The things he taught should not be done religiously, but lovingly, because of love.

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Don't you know what's in your own Bible?

John 20. 1 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we dont know where they have put him!"

This implies that John is aware that others are supposed to be with Mary Magdalene, even it looks like she goes to the tomb by herself.

cue: "She is referring to the others who were still at the tomb", but that means she looked in the tomb and saw it was empty. But she had already seen Matthew's angel outside, so would hardly run away from the empty tomb even if the angels appeared there. The motive for splitting up is gone - other than to invent an excuse of the contradiction.

Your total rewrite of the gospel to 'weave them together' doesn't work, mainly because you have to split the disciples running to check the tomb into two separate events (1) so as to pretend that Mary Magdalene together with the others (in Luke) reporting to the disciples is a different event to her reporting back to the disciples in the other gospels, which you want to pretend is Mary by herself, while the women were still at the tomb. And, apparently, that the angels and Mary seeing Jesus in John is the same as Mary and the others seeing Jesus in Matthew.

But that depends on the disciples running to the tomb twice, once just with Mary Magdalene by herself, and again after the women report back and i would suppose the disciples come back and Mary and the women waiting together and they say the angel has said Jesus was risen, and they all rush off to the tomb again; and after the disciples had left, Mary sees the angels (who do not deliver the angelic message so that isn't the first appearance) and Jesus appears, but there is no mention of the other women 'worshipping' Jesus.

This is clumsy and unworkable and a blatant attempt to wangle together a rewrite to paper over the contradictory cracks. There is probably no point in asking you to be reasonable, but there is no way you will sell your rewrite of the resurrection to me, and others must decide.

(1) even though Luke's mention of this is evidently a later amendment added to the original, not found in earlier Bibles. But then you seem to take the freer logion seriously, too.

and a p.s The order of events is quite simple, and divided by the reporting back to the disciples and what happens after - Mary left at the tomb where she sees Jesus while she and the others together )as Luke says) had seen the empty tomb and heard the angel and run into jesus, according to matthew but Not according to Luke. Contradiction.

There is no shred of evidence of the women splitting up and Luke says they were all together. It is blatant invention and adding stuff to the Bible that isn't there to try to wish away the contradictions.

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I agree. 'Love' (of others)( means you don;'t do anything bad to them.

Nice.

Natural law makes for dealing morally with others, irrespective of religion.

What makes it natural law? Humans don't seem to act on it naturally.

In fact the Golden rule is irreligious and makes religion irrelevant.

I think Christianity, as Jesus taught it, is not actually a religion. The things he taught should not be done religiously, but lovingly, because of love.

They act on the Golden rule naturally in that it is not done 'with love' but with the self and its' preferences at the center, as 'survival' instinct would dictate. The fact is that religion has to excuse why a god - given moral rule doesn't work half the time.

It is explained if it is a natural instinct of reciprocity that aids survival as co - operation can benefit both sides, though fighting over resources is an equal instinct.

This is better explained by Natural instinct than by anything god - given, name your own god and religion, anyway.

As to what Jesus taught, I think it is absolutely religion, as it derives from Judaic Messianism as amended to suit Gentiles by Paul but Paganized by the Greco - bRomans and those beliefs put into Jesus' mouth retrospectively.

You won't believe that, but I do. Absolutely.

However, I'm happy to agree that the best human inclinations, particularly reciprocity done out of an instinct for all to be better off (Call it "Love" if you like) is nothing to do with religion, even though religions, including Christianity, borrow it and pretend they own it, and it is a natural instinct with reason applied,.