JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[myth-one.com]

Do you accept that Jesus was born as a man in Bethlehem about 2024 years ago?

Do you accept that Jesus was the Word made flesh?

Do you accept that Jesus was a man?

Which one do I need to prove?

ALL OF THEM.

OK.

1) Jesus was born as a man in Bethlehem about 2024 years ago:

Anno Domini or AD is Latin and means "in the year of the Lord ", which is used when referring to a year after Jesus Christ was born: WE are currently living in 2024 AD or 2024 years since the year in which Jesus was born.

2) Jesus was the Word made flesh:

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

3) Jesus was a man:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[JumpingJackFlash]

Do you accept that Jesus was born as a man in Bethlehem about 2024 years ago?

Do you accept that Jesus was the Word made flesh?

Do you accept that Jesus was a man?

Which one do I need to prove?

ALL OF THEM.

OK.

1) Jesus was born as a man in Bethlehem about 2024 years ago:

Anno Domini or AD is Latin and means "in the year of the Lord ", which is used when referring to a year after Jesus Christ was born: WE are currently living in 2024 AD or 2024 years since the year in which Jesus was born.

Yeah? How does this prove the name of the Word is Word?

[JumpingJackFlash]

Do you accept that Jesus was born as a man in Bethlehem about 2024 years ago?

Do you accept that Jesus was the Word made flesh?

Do you accept that Jesus was a man?

Which one do I need to prove?

ALL OF THEM.

OK.



2) Jesus was the Word made flesh:

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Yeah? How does this prove the name of the Word is Word?

[JumpingJackFlash]

Do you accept that Jesus was born as a man in Bethlehem about 2024 years ago?

Do you accept that Jesus was the Word made flesh?

Do you accept that Jesus was a man?

Which one do I need to prove?

ALL OF THEM.

OK.
3) Jesus was a man:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Yeah? How does this prove the name of the Word is Word?

[JumpingJackFlash]

SEE...ALL YOU DO IS POST IN CIRCLES
NEVER SAYING OR PROVING ANYTHING.

YOU WILL SAY SOME CONTRADICTION
THEN THROW IN ANOTHER RANDOM
QUOTE FROM SOME BOOK OR ANOTHER PERSON
AND DO THE SAME THING OVER AGAIN
AFTER I REBUTTAL IT.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS
YOUR THEOLOGY OR DOCTRINE YOU
ADHERE TO AS YOUR SALVATION IS
FULL OF FLAWS AND ERRORS.

IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT
TO MAKE IT FIT WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE
AS THE TRUTH.

[JumpingJackFlash]

God claimed that Jesus is God.

God inspired the scriptures:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (II Timothy 3:16)

God inspired Timothy to write that Jesus was a man:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

God is a Spirit within a man.

A Spirit within a man is still a man. So Jesus was a man.

Jesus is the name of the Word, that came down from heaven and was made flesh. So yes, the Word made flesh became a man.

Jesus is not the name of the Word. The Word is the name of the Word.

If this is true you have stated, then the name of God would have to be The Word.
But it is not true because the name of God is not The Word.

Do you concede you have lost the debate to me?
I am right and your doctrine is false?

Yes or no?

[myth-one.com]

Jesus is not the name of the Word. The Word is the name of the Word.

If this is true you have stated, then the name of God would have to be The Word.
But it is not true because the name of God is not The Word.

Here is how the Bible puts it:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Do you concede you have lost the debate to me?
I am right and your doctrine is false?

No & no. I'm not even sure what we are debating anymore.

Are we still debating the topic entitled "Jesus is Not God?"

God's name is Jehovah and the Word is a God who was in the creating side of the God business.

[JumpingJackFlash]

Jesus is not the name of the Word. The Word is the name of the Word.

If this is true you have stated, then the name of God would have to be The Word.
But it is not true because the name of God is not The Word.

Here is how the Bible puts it:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Do you concede you have lost the debate to me?
I am right and your doctrine is false?

No & no. I'm not even sure what we are debating anymore.

Are we still debating the topic entitled "Jesus is Not God?"

God's name is Jehovah and the Word is a God who was in the creating side of the God business.

SEE...ALL YOU DO IS POST IN CIRCLES
NEVER SAYING OR PROVING ANYTHING.

YOU WILL SAY SOME CONTRADICTION
THEN THROW IN ANOTHER RANDOM
QUOTE FROM SOME BOOK OR ANOTHER PERSON
AND DO THE SAME THING OVER AGAIN
AFTER I REBUTTAL IT.

[JumpingJackFlash]

Jesus is not the name of the Word. The Word is the name of the Word.

If this is true you have stated, then the name of God would have to be The Word.
But it is not true because the name of God is not The Word.

Here is how the Bible puts it:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Do you concede you have lost the debate to me?
I am right and your doctrine is false?

No & no. I'm not even sure what we are debating anymore.

Are we still debating the topic entitled "Jesus is Not God?"

God's name is Jehovah and the Word is a God who was in the creating side of the God business.

You stated in a previous post on this thread to me that

" Jesus is not the name of the Word. The Word is the name of the Word."

Now here you are contradicting your self by stating to me:

" God's name is Jehovah and the Word is a God ".

And you quoted to me this from a book as to verify your statement:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

You say the Word is God and God's name is Jehovah,
then tell me how can The Word be the name of the Word?

SEE
NOT ONLY DID I PROVE YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF
BUT I PROVED YOUR STATEMENT IS IN ERROR WITHIN YOUR OWN WORDS.

YOU LOSE THE DEBATE.

[LittleNipper]

Salvation comes only to those who will accept it. Whosoever will may come.

That's correct. God does not force everlasting life upon anyone.

The unpardonable sin is refusing the SALVATION . . .

The plan of salvation will be explained to everyone, and everyone will make their independent choice to accept or reject everlasting life.

Rejecting everlasting life is simply one of the two possible choices.

Biblical authority 2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

That verse does not state that either of the two possible choices is a sin. It does imply that we can all make an educated choice by studying the scriptures.

If someone does not desire to participate in living eternally, why would God want them not to choose everlasting death?

It is really an important decision as the punishments for sinning in the spiritual world are infinitely worse that sinning in the physical world.

All of us will exit the physical world. But there is no exit door out of the spiritual world! God and the other spirits cannot die. The devil, for example will be tormented day and night forever as there is no death sentence in the spiritual world.

II Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

The other verse above represents where I get my information from. I apply the Bible as it says in 2 Timothy 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. THAT's the authority that GOD wishes believers to apply.

And yet you cannot answer the following question:

Where does the scriptures state that that the choice of rejecting everlasting life and accepting everlasting death is a sin?

God gives mankind a taste of life and each human must then choose to extend life forever or die forever. God recommends choosing life:

Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Everlasting death is the result of sin. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
2 Thessalonians 1:9
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Matthew 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Matthew 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.