JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[LittleNipper]

The unpardonable sin is refusing the SALVATION that only CHRIST achieved and the HOLY SPIRIT presents with HIS still small voice. Ye must be born-again.

Sin is no longer relevant to our salvation:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

Salvation is guaranteed by simply choosing to accept Jesus as one's Savior from the wages of their sins.

Salvation is rejected by simply choosing not to accept Jesus as one's Savior from the wages of their sins.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Believers will gain everlasting spiritual bodied life when born again of the Spirit (God) as a spirit at the Second Coming.

Nonbelievers will perish.

God will honor each person's individual choice, and neither choice is a sin.

If there is no SIN as you say, then what exactly is meant by the unpardonable "SIN". SIN cannot be unpardonable if sin is irrelevant. What is one saved from if not the wages of sin.

There are two testaments or covenants between God and mankind in the Bible. Under the original covenant one had to be free from sin to become an heir to everlasting life. That is, the wages of sin is death, so those free from sin would gain everlasting life. One had to be forgiven for any sins which they had committed. But there was a fault in the original covenant in that no one had ever meet those standards. All had sinned.

Under the New Testament, one simply has to believe in Jesus as their Savior from the wages of their sins to gain everlasting life:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Thus, under the New Testament, sin no longer affects our salvation -- even the unpardonable sin.

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And I never said there is no sin. Sin abounds everywhere.

But I can say that there is no sin which affects our salvation -- even the unpardonable sin.

If one commits the unpardonable sin, then accepts Jesus as his or her Savior, they shall have everlasting life under terms of the New Testament Covenant.

Salvation is now a gift of God through Jesus Christ which any human can receive.

It simply sounded like you were disagreeing with what I Had originally stated: The unpardonable sin is refusing the SALVATION that only CHRIST achieved and the HOLY SPIRIT presents with HIS still small voice. Ye must be born-again. (In other words, rejecting CHRIST as one's personal SAVIOR.)

Salvation comes only to those who will accept it. Whosoever will may come.

[myth-one.com]

Salvation comes only to those who will accept it. Whosoever will may come.

That's correct. God does not force everlasting life upon anyone.

The unpardonable sin is refusing the SALVATION . . .

The plan of salvation will be explained to everyone, and everyone will make their independent choice to accept or reject everlasting life.

Rejecting everlasting life is simply one of the two possible choices.

On what authority do you claim that the choice of rejecting everlasting life and accepting everlasting death is a sin?

[LittleNipper]

Salvation comes only to those who will accept it. Whosoever will may come.

That's correct. God does not force everlasting life upon anyone.

The unpardonable sin is refusing the SALVATION . . .

The plan of salvation will be explained to everyone, and everyone will make their independent choice to accept or reject everlasting life.

Rejecting everlasting life is simply one of the two possible choices.

On what authority do you claim that the choice of rejecting everlasting life and accepting everlasting death is a sin?

Biblical authority 2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

[myth-one.com]

Salvation comes only to those who will accept it. Whosoever will may come.

That's correct. God does not force everlasting life upon anyone.

The unpardonable sin is refusing the SALVATION . . .

The plan of salvation will be explained to everyone, and everyone will make their independent choice to accept or reject everlasting life.

Rejecting everlasting life is simply one of the two possible choices.

On what authority do you claim that the choice of rejecting everlasting life and accepting everlasting death is a sin?

Biblical authority 2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

That verse does not state that either of the two possible choices is a sin. It does imply that we can all make an educated choice by studying the scriptures.

If someone does not desire to participate in living eternally, why would God want them not to choose everlasting death?

It is really an important decision as the punishments for sinning in the spiritual world are infinitely worse that sinning in the physical world.

All of us will exit the physical world. But there is no exit door out of the spiritual world! God and the other spirits cannot die. The devil, for example will be tormented day and night forever as there is no death sentence in the spiritual world.

[JumpingJackFlash]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

No and God claimed that Jesus is God.

[myth-one.com]

God claimed that Jesus is God.

So God is a man?

[JumpingJackFlash]

God claimed that Jesus is God.

So God is a man?

God is a Spirit within a man.

[LittleNipper]

Salvation comes only to those who will accept it. Whosoever will may come.

That's correct. God does not force everlasting life upon anyone.

The unpardonable sin is refusing the SALVATION . . .

The plan of salvation will be explained to everyone, and everyone will make their independent choice to accept or reject everlasting life.

Rejecting everlasting life is simply one of the two possible choices.

On what authority do you claim that the choice of rejecting everlasting life and accepting everlasting death is a sin?

Biblical authority 2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

That verse does not state that either of the two possible choices is a sin. It does imply that we can all make an educated choice by studying the scriptures.

If someone does not desire to participate in living eternally, why would God want them not to choose everlasting death?

It is really an important decision as the punishments for sinning in the spiritual world are infinitely worse that sinning in the physical world.

All of us will exit the physical world. But there is no exit door out of the spiritual world! God and the other spirits cannot die. The devil, for example will be tormented day and night forever as there is no death sentence in the spiritual world.

II Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

The other verse above represents where I get my information from. I apply the Bible as it says in 2 Timothy 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. THAT's the authority that GOD wishes believers to apply.

[myth-one.com]

God claimed that Jesus is God.

God inspired the scriptures:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (II Timothy 3:16)

God inspired Timothy to write that Jesus was a man:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

God is a Spirit within a man.

A Spirit within a man is still a man. So Jesus was a man.

[myth-one.com]

Salvation comes only to those who will accept it. Whosoever will may come.

That's correct. God does not force everlasting life upon anyone.

The unpardonable sin is refusing the SALVATION . . .

The plan of salvation will be explained to everyone, and everyone will make their independent choice to accept or reject everlasting life.

Rejecting everlasting life is simply one of the two possible choices.

Biblical authority 2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

That verse does not state that either of the two possible choices is a sin. It does imply that we can all make an educated choice by studying the scriptures.

If someone does not desire to participate in living eternally, why would God want them not to choose everlasting death?

It is really an important decision as the punishments for sinning in the spiritual world are infinitely worse that sinning in the physical world.

All of us will exit the physical world. But there is no exit door out of the spiritual world! God and the other spirits cannot die. The devil, for example will be tormented day and night forever as there is no death sentence in the spiritual world.

II Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

The other verse above represents where I get my information from. I apply the Bible as it says in 2 Timothy 3:16-17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. THAT's the authority that GOD wishes believers to apply.

And yet you cannot answer the following question:

Where does the scriptures state that that the choice of rejecting everlasting life and accepting everlasting death is a sin?

God gives mankind a taste of life and each human must then choose to extend life forever or die forever. God recommends choosing life:

Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: