Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[onewithhim]

The demons are not immortal. What do you object to at I Timothy 6:16 where it says that only one spirit person is immortal?

First Timothy 6:16 is referring to Jesus. You claim that it means Jesus is the only immortal "spirit person."

The Bible states that God is a spirit:

God is a Spirit: . . .. (John 4:24)

If you are correct, then when did God die?

Should John 4:24 read: God was a Spirit?

Is there a difference between a spirit and your "spirit person?"

What are you talking about? God and Jesus and the angels are spirits, or, spirit Persons. What is your objection?

This is a good opportunity, as I do not understand what you're talking about either.

Premise: There are two type of bodies, natural and spiritual, and they do not mix.

Definition of person: A human being regarded as an individual.

When you use the term "spirit person" I have to guess as to what you mean. My guess is usually that you mean a spiritual bodied human regarded as an individual. But that does not exist. All humans have natural bodies.

Since there is no such thing as a spiritual bodied human, I feel that I must take exception every time you use the term "spirit Persons," lest you think I agree with that false theology.

Why can't you always use the word "spirits"?

Yes, ITimothy refers to Jesus as the only immortal one (besides the Father of course).

No he does not. He says Jesus is the only human who hath immortality -- "Who only hath immortality." He hath it as a future inheritance earned under the Old Testament Covenant. It's pending awaiting probating.

That shows that at one time he was the only one, so spirits are therefore shown NOT to be immortal.

You lost me again there. My guess is that you mean "If Jesus was the only one immortal (human?), then sprits are not immortal???

How so?

Anointed Christians of the 1st century and even today are ones that will be with Christ in heaven. Since they started being resurrected some one hundred years ago, they also attain to immortality.

So now your claiming that Jesus was not the only one who hath immortality -- as other humans predated Him in having immortality.

Those that have the earthly hope are not immortal but have the pleasure of awaiting a paradise Earth in their physical bodies. They CAN live forever as long as they are faithful.

They can't as humans. They will be lucky to reach their 120-year limit.

The age of man will be over when the last living man or woman is either born again as an immortal spirit or cast into the lake of fire and suffers their second and permanent death. At that time there will be no more living humans.

I'm sorry, I can't make heads nor tails out of what you are saying. You can't seem to understand that Jesus was a spirit Being before he came to the earth as a physical human Being. After his resurrection he returned to the spirit realm by being raised as a spirit Being, as Paul and Peter both acknowledged.
(I Corinthians 15:45; I Peter 3:18) I Timothy 6:16 shows that all spirit Beings are not immortal.

Christ died so that we, as human beings, might gain everlasting life right here on this planet in our physical bodies. He gave up his physical body and won't take it back (if he did he would invalidate his sacrifice of his physical body). The Bible shows that we will enjoy all the physical things that we enjoyed here on Earth in our physical bodies. (Psalm 72:16; Isaiah 11:6-9; Isaiah 25:6) We'll have plenty to eat, and spirit beings don't need food, so it is referring to physical people.

Why are you so resistant to the gift that YHWH and His Son have given us, to live forever on a paradise Earth in our physical bodies?

[myth-one.com]

Christ died so that we, as human beings, might gain everlasting life right here on this planet in our physical bodies.

Paul does a comparison of the deceased Christian human bodies which are buried when we die, with the bodies in which Christians will be resurrected at the Second Coming:

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. (I Corinthians 15:42-45)

This scripture is not complicated. The Christian body that is sown is corruptible, dishonored, weak, and a natural body. This is the physical body which is buried like a seed, or sown, when we die.

At the resurrection, Christians are raised up as incorruptible, glorified, powerful, spiritual bodies. This is exactly what the above verses state! Read them again several times if you must to confirm their simple truth.

Those humans who died believing in Jesus Christ will be born again as spiritual bodied beings at their resurrection. Since this is their second birth, they are born again. Since they are spirits, they have been born again of the Spirit, as that which is born of the Spirit is spirit!

The first man Adam was a living, breathing being or soul. The last Adam was made a quickening spirit or spiritual bodied being when born again of the Spirit as a spirit at the Second Coming.

These new everlasting spiritual beings which are equal unto the angels will then rule the earth for ever and ever with their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Why are you so resistant to the gift that YHWH and His Son have given us, to live forever on a paradise Earth in our physical bodies?

I have no resistance to the gift that YHWH and His Son have given us as described above by Paul.

But your plan has problems.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2952]

You confuse the anointed class of humans with the non-anointed class of humans. Paul calls the anointed Christians, once they have died and are resurrected, spirit beings. He is not referring to the humans that have the hope of living forever on Earth in their physical bodies. He explains that there are two kinds of bodies, spirit and physical, and many humans will have physical bodies forever. However, their anointed fellow Christians will reign with Christ in heaven.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2952]

You confuse the anointed class of humans with the non-anointed class of humans. Paul calls the anointed Christians, once they have died and are resurrected, spirit beings. He is not referring to the humans that have the hope of living forever on Earth in their physical bodies. He explains that there are two kinds of bodies, spirit and physical, and many humans will have physical bodies forever. However, their anointed fellow Christians will reign with Christ in heaven.

Will those supposed Christian humans who live forever on the earth be members of the Kingdom of God?

Here's a hint:

Jesus instructs us to pray for God's Kingdom to return to the earth:

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. (Matthew 6:10)

In First Corinthians 15, the Kingdom is said to come at the end:

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (1 Corinthians 15:24)

When the end cometh, the earth once again becomes part of the Kingdom of God.

But flesh and blood humans cannot inherit the Kingdom of God:

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (1 Corinthians 15:50)

Therefore, humans do not rule the earth forever, or for even a few seconds.

Humans born again of the Spirit (God) as spirits will rule the earth forever. Spirits can live forever. Humans cannot!

The physical bodies of deceased believers are buried as natural bodies, and resurrected as everlasting spiritual bodies:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. (1 Corinthians 15:44)

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2952]

You confuse the anointed class of humans with the non-anointed class of humans. Paul calls the anointed Christians, once they have died and are resurrected, spirit beings. He is not referring to the humans that have the hope of living forever on Earth in their physical bodies. He explains that there are two kinds of bodies, spirit and physical, and many humans will have physical bodies forever. However, their anointed fellow Christians will reign with Christ in heaven.

Will those supposed Christian humans who live forever on the earth be members of the Kingdom of God?

Yes they will. They will be the citizens, if you will, of the Kingdom arrangement. The seat of government is in heaven where Jesus reigns with his 144,000 anointed brothers and sisters, and the people they rule over are on the physical earth where millions are enjoying physical life forever.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2952]

You confuse the anointed class of humans with the non-anointed class of humans. Paul calls the anointed Christians, once they have died and are resurrected, spirit beings. He is not referring to the humans that have the hope of living forever on Earth in their physical bodies. He explains that there are two kinds of bodies, spirit and physical, and many humans will have physical bodies forever. However, their anointed fellow Christians will reign with Christ in heaven.

Will those supposed Christian humans who live forever on the earth be members of the Kingdom of God?

Yes they will. They will be the citizens, if you will, of the Kingdom arrangement. The seat of government is in heaven where Jesus reigns with his 144,000 anointed brothers and sisters, and the people they rule over are on the physical earth where millions are enjoying physical life forever.

But aren't you ignoring the fact that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God?

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)

And what's to keep these everlasting humans from dying due to accidents, murders, and other deadly events?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2952]

You confuse the anointed class of humans with the non-anointed class of humans. Paul calls the anointed Christians, once they have died and are resurrected, spirit beings. He is not referring to the humans that have the hope of living forever on Earth in their physical bodies. He explains that there are two kinds of bodies, spirit and physical, and many humans will have physical bodies forever. However, their anointed fellow Christians will reign with Christ in heaven.

Will those supposed Christian humans who live forever on the earth be members of the Kingdom of God?

Yes they will. They will be the citizens, if you will, of the Kingdom arrangement. The seat of government is in heaven where Jesus reigns with his 144,000 anointed brothers and sisters, and the people they rule over are on the physical earth where millions are enjoying physical life forever.

But aren't you ignoring the fact that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God?

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)

And what's to keep these everlasting humans from dying due to accidents, murders, and other deadly events?

You apparently didn't read my post #2955. Flesh and blood cannot go to heaven, that is correct. But flesh and blood CAN live on the earth, where they were intended to live forever in the first place. The spirit beings that go to heaven and the spirit realm are the relatively few that Paul was describing in I Corinth. ch. 15. Some people will be changed and go to meet Christ in heaven. Not all people and not all Christians. Two groups: the "little flock" (Luke 12:32) and the "other sheep" (John 10:16). The little flock goes to heaven as spirit beings, and the other sheep stay here on Earth to live forever, physically, in Paradise conditions.

There will be no "accidents" or murders or any other deadly events in Paradise. After Armageddon we are promised that there will be peace and love. We don't know exactly how accidents will be prevented, but it is a promise that there will be no more pain or death.

"He [God] will wipe every tear from their eyes and there shall be no more death or mourning, wailing or pain, for the old order has passed away." (Revelation 21:4, New American Bible)

The Prince of peace's "dominion is vast and forever peaceful, from David's throne, and over his kingdom, which he confirms and sustains by judgment and justice both now and forever. The zeal of the LORD [YHWH] of hosts will do this." (Isaiah 9:6, New American Bible)

[myth-one.com]

There will be no "accidents" or murders or any other deadly events in Paradise. After Armageddon we are promised that there will be peace and love. We don't know exactly how accidents will be prevented, but it is a promise that there will be no more pain or death.

Oh, Oh, I know how He will do it!

That verse describes our new spiritual bodies which will be free of any pain and never die!

That's contrary to your everlasting, pain sensitive, mythical, physical, human bodies.

Now you know.

[onewithhim]

There will be no "accidents" or murders or any other deadly events in Paradise. After Armageddon we are promised that there will be peace and love. We don't know exactly how accidents will be prevented, but it is a promise that there will be no more pain or death.

Oh, Oh, I know how He will do it!

That verse describes our new spiritual bodies which will be free of any pain and never die!

That's contrary to your everlasting, pain sensitive, mythical, physical, human bodies.

Now you know.

Now I know that you twist the Scriptures and make up your own scenarios. Everlasting, painless, physical human bodies is just what there will be for millions of people on this Earth.

[myth-one.com]

There will be no "accidents" or murders or any other deadly events in Paradise. After Armageddon we are promised that there will be peace and love. We don't know exactly how accidents will be prevented, but it is a promise that there will be no more pain or death.

Oh, Oh, I know how He will do it!

That verse describes our new spiritual bodies which will be free of any pain and never die!

That's contrary to your everlasting, pain sensitive, mythical, physical, human bodies.

Now you know.

Now I know that you twist the Scriptures and make up your own scenarios. Everlasting, painless, physical human bodies is just what there will be for millions of people on this Earth.

Paul describes the buried bodies of Christians as natural bodies, and the resurrected bodies of Christians as spiritual bodies:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

Deceased Christians will be resurrected as spiritual bodied beings equal unto the angels. They, along with Christians living at the time of the Second Coming, will be born again of the Spirit as spirits and rule the earth for ever and ever with their Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Spirits have no deaths, hunger, thirst, pain, or other physical human characteristics.

I'll have to agree with Paul (as inspired by God)!

How does the above "twist" scripture?