Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[onewithhim]

It is this same Jesus who is at the Father's right hand in heaven, as I commented in a previous post.

The Word and Jesus Christ are two beings described in the scriptures.

How are they different?

They are not different.

God says they are different.

The Word is God:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

Jesus Christ was made to be "a little lower than the angels," exactly as man was created!

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. (Hebrews 2:9)

What is man, that thou art mindful of him? ...For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, (Psalm 8:4-5)

We are even given the one, and only one, reason that Jesus was made lower than the angels for His thirty-three years on earth. He could not die as a spirit! He was made lower than the angels "for the suffering of death."

There is one God, and one man Jesus is the mediator between God and man:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1 Timothy 2:5)

It had to be this way so that the fault in the original covenant between God and the Israelites could be fixed!

The Word is NOT God, as has been explained on these threads. The Word is Jesus Christ, and YHWH is God. If you read the entire Bible you will see that that is so.

"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the God and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning WITH God." (John 1:1,2, 21st Century New Testament)

"The Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was WITH God, the Logos was DIVINE. He was WITH God in the very beginning." (John 1:1,2, James Moffatt Translation)

"In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH the God, and a god was the Word. This was in a beginning WITH the God." (John 1:1,2, The Emphatic Diaglott/Benjamin Wilson.)

There are many more that do not say that the Word was God, as JehovahsWitness has brought out. The Word was "divine," but not God.

[myth-one.com]

The Word was "divine," but not God.

So the Bible states that the Word was God, but that is incorrect. He was a god, divine, and . . . whatever else you claimed.

The Bible defines two possible type of bodies, natural and spiritual.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

Is that correct?

Being a god, the Word would have a spiritual body.

Is that correct?

Jesus, whom you claim lived from the beginning (although He was born in Bethlehem about 2023 years ago) admitted that He had a natural body.

But they were terrified and affrightened, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (Luke 24:37-39)

So the Word and Jesus had different type of bodies.

Did God get that one right?

Does the Word have a spiritual body?

Did Jesus have a natural body?

If so, they are different beings.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2942]

The Word, Jesus, had a spirit body when he was in heaven in the beginning. When he came to Earth he had a perfect physical body. He gave that physical body up for our sakes, and he wouldn't take it back thus nullifying his sacrifice. When he was resurrected, he had a spirit body once more, though he could take on a physical appearance at will, as the angels did in the time of Abraham and Lot. He couldn't get through a locked door in a physical body, so he obviously went through it in the spirit and then materialized a body that someone could touch. He went back to heaven in his spirit body, where no flesh could go.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2942]

The Word, Jesus, had a spirit body when he was in heaven in the beginning.

So The Word was also known as "Jesus" in heaven?

A nickname?

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One characteristic of spiritual bodies is their immortality.

Once born of the Spirit as a spirit, you remain a spirit for ever and ever.

You don't have it here, but not over there!

It's call everlasting life.

Man is born of the flesh as a flesh and blood natural bodied being, and we are appointed to die once.

But man can be born a second time of the Spirit as a spiritual bodied being which will never die.

Upon being born as a spiritual bodied being, we can never ever shed it.

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When he came to Earth he had a perfect physical body.

How can immortal beings take on mortality?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2942]

The Word, Jesus, had a spirit body when he was in heaven in the beginning.

So The Word was also known as "Jesus" in heaven?

A nickname?

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One characteristic of spiritual bodies is their immortality.

Once born of the Spirit as a spirit, you remain a spirit for ever and ever.

You don't have it here, but not over there!

It's call everlasting life.

Man is born of the flesh as a flesh and blood natural bodied being, and we are appointed to die once.

But man can be born a second time of the Spirit as a spiritual bodied being which will never die.

Upon being born as a spiritual bodied being, we can never ever shed it.

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When he came to Earth he had a perfect physical body.

How can immortal beings take on mortality?

What was Jesus' name in heaven for billions of years before he came here to the earth? You ask. It wasn't "Jesus" because Gabriel gave Mary and Joseph the instruction to call the physical baby here on earth "Jesus." We believe his name was "Michael," and it is so even today, now that he's back in heaven.

Spirit bodies are not immortal. I have shown you I Timothy 6:16 where it says that the King of kings and Lord of lords "alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no human has seen or can see." (New American Bible) There has been only one individual who had immortality---not every spirit person. Spirit persons are not immortal, as we can see from what has occurred with Satan and his demons. They will be totally destroyed after the Millennial Reign of Christ. (The lake of fire is symbolic for complete obliteration.) They will not live on in some fiery "hell" but will actually die.

[myth-one.com]

Spirit bodies are not immortal. I have shown you I Timothy 6:16 where it says that the King of kings and Lord of lords "alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no human has seen or can see." (New American Bible) There has been only one individual who had immortality---not every spirit person. Spirit persons are not immortal, as we can see from what has occurred with Satan and his demons. They will be totally destroyed after the Millennial Reign of Christ. (The lake of fire is symbolic for complete obliteration.) They will not live on in some fiery "hell" but will actually die.

Jesus is the only human to ever gain an inheritance of everlasting life under the Old Testament Covenant!!!!

The wages of sin is death, He never sinned, thus His name is in the Book of Life as an inheritor of everlasting life. He was the only name in the Book of Life before the New Testament Covenant, thus He only hath immortality!!!!

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Spirit bodies are not immortal.

Demon: an evil spirit or devil.

And the Devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

The Devil is cast into the lake of fire and brimstone?

Having been cased in, he is tormented there day and night for ever and ever!

Do you not understand that day and night for ever and ever means he is immortal.

[onewithhim]

Spirit bodies are not immortal. I have shown you I Timothy 6:16 where it says that the King of kings and Lord of lords "alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no human has seen or can see." (New American Bible) There has been only one individual who had immortality---not every spirit person. Spirit persons are not immortal, as we can see from what has occurred with Satan and his demons. They will be totally destroyed after the Millennial Reign of Christ. (The lake of fire is symbolic for complete obliteration.) They will not live on in some fiery "hell" but will actually die.

Jesus is the only human to ever gain an inheritance of everlasting life under the Old Testament Covenant!!!!

The wages of sin is death, He never sinned, thus His name is in the Book of Life as an inheritor of everlasting life. He was the only name in the Book of Life before the New Testament Covenant, thus He only hath immortality!!!!

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Spirit bodies are not immortal.

Demon: an evil spirit or devil.

And the Devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

The Devil is cast into the lake of fire and brimstone?

Having been cased in, he is tormented there day and night for ever and ever!

Do you not understand that day and night for ever and ever means he is immortal.

No, you do not understand the symbolism of Revelation. The book is almost entirely metaphorical. The "torment" that is mentioned means merely that the Devil and the demons are unable to do anything forever. A jailer is called a "tormentor" because he keeps his captives in a state of inability to function. The demons will be completely destroyed after the Millennial Reign. They will not be able to function because they will be dead.

The demons are the worst sinners. and "the wages of sin is death." (Romans 6:23) Do you not see what the Bible is actually saying? You distort the meaning of "death." You think the wicked sinners can live on! That is definitely not what the Bible says.

The demons are not immortal. What do you object to at I Timothy 6:16 where it says that only one spirit person is immortal?

[myth-one.com]

The demons are not immortal. What do you object to at I Timothy 6:16 where it says that only one spirit person is immortal?

First Timothy 6:16 is referring to Jesus. You claim that it means Jesus is the only immortal "spirit person."

The Bible states that God is a spirit:

God is a Spirit: . . .. (John 4:24)

If you are correct, then when did God die?

Should John 4:24 read: God was a Spirit?

Is there a difference between a spirit and your "spirit person?"

[onewithhim]

The demons are not immortal. What do you object to at I Timothy 6:16 where it says that only one spirit person is immortal?

First Timothy 6:16 is referring to Jesus. You claim that it means Jesus is the only immortal "spirit person."

The Bible states that God is a spirit:

God is a Spirit: . . .. (John 4:24)

If you are correct, then when did God die?

Should John 4:24 read: God was a Spirit?

Is there a difference between a spirit and your "spirit person?"

What are you talking about? God and Jesus and the angels are spirits, or, spirit Persons. What is your objection?

Yes, ITimothy refers to Jesus as the only immortal one (besides the Father of course). That shows that at one time he was the only one, so spirits are therefore shown NOT to be immortal.

Anointed Christians of the 1st century and even today are ones that will be with Christ in heaven. Since they started being resurrected some one hundred years ago, they also attain to immortality. Those that have the earthly hope are not immortal but have the pleasure of awaiting a paradise Earth in their physical bodies. They CAN live forever as long as they are faithful.

[myth-one.com]

The demons are not immortal. What do you object to at I Timothy 6:16 where it says that only one spirit person is immortal?

First Timothy 6:16 is referring to Jesus. You claim that it means Jesus is the only immortal "spirit person."

The Bible states that God is a spirit:

God is a Spirit: . . .. (John 4:24)

If you are correct, then when did God die?

Should John 4:24 read: God was a Spirit?

Is there a difference between a spirit and your "spirit person?"

What are you talking about? God and Jesus and the angels are spirits, or, spirit Persons. What is your objection?

This is a good opportunity, as I do not understand what you're talking about either.

Premise: There are two type of bodies, natural and spiritual, and they do not mix.

Definition of person: A human being regarded as an individual.

When you use the term "spirit person" I have to guess as to what you mean. My guess is usually that you mean a spiritual bodied human regarded as an individual. But that does not exist. All humans have natural bodies.

Since there is no such thing as a spiritual bodied human, I feel that I must take exception every time you use the term "spirit Persons," lest you think I agree with that false theology.

Why can't you always use the word "spirits"?

Yes, ITimothy refers to Jesus as the only immortal one (besides the Father of course).

No he does not. He says Jesus is the only human who hath immortality -- "Who only hath immortality." He hath it as a future inheritance earned under the Old Testament Covenant. It's pending awaiting probating.

That shows that at one time he was the only one, so spirits are therefore shown NOT to be immortal.

You lost me again there. My guess is that you mean "If Jesus was the only one immortal (human?), then sprits are not immortal???

How so?

Anointed Christians of the 1st century and even today are ones that will be with Christ in heaven. Since they started being resurrected some one hundred years ago, they also attain to immortality.

So now your claiming that Jesus was not the only one who hath immortality -- as other humans predated Him in having immortality.

Those that have the earthly hope are not immortal but have the pleasure of awaiting a paradise Earth in their physical bodies. They CAN live forever as long as they are faithful.

They can't as humans. They will be lucky to reach their 120-year limit.

The age of man will be over when the last living man or woman is either born again as an immortal spirit or cast into the lake of fire and suffers their second and permanent death. At that time there will be no more living humans.