How many religions came from America?

[Wootah]

Is it evidence for or against religions if they came from America?

For instance Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses. Are there more? Scientology. Any more?

I would argue it is evidence against the religion because America has quite literally nothing the to do with the Bible. What other evidence flows from a religion coming from America?

[oldbadger]

I was calling the written word-it, not God.

Your God is called 'Jehovah'....yes?

[oldbadger]

They teach a non existent trinity.

And so you think that they are all devil-guided in to believing that?

I think that you do believe that Jesus was/is God's son, and that you do believe in a Holy Spirit...is that right?

There are numerous different Christian churches and creeds, and many will point to all the others and claim that 'They are not Christians!'
How are you any different?

[Miles]

But you haven't used the title 'Jehovah' once in that post. You've used the title 'God' that my bible uses.

I notice that you usually quote from John, the focus seems to be upon John with some quotations from Matthew. I tend to follow the account shown in G-Mark and that is why I see a wholly different story, I think.

Gods truth doesnt contradict itself. Trinity translations contradict Gods truth because there are errors translated in.

TRUTH 1
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20

CONTRADICTION

TRUTH 2
“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5

,

I believe its because the Fathers handed down the same wicked practices to their children. That is one of satans #1 tools, to this day it occurs with 99% on earth. Many worship false gods, many pagan practices off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21) in the worlds celebrations, etc.

Other than that it doesn't matter what you believe, but what the Bible says---note that there is no "wicked-practices" qualification---it's interesting that apparently you also believe Satan bested god and what, made him utter this obvious contradiction? In any case, what God said in Exodus 20:5 stands in direct contradiction to what he said in Ezekiel 18:20. Gods truth does contradict itself.

.

It isnt contradicting itself. I explained what occurred--The Fathers mentioned in Exodus were handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation.

"IT"?? Your god is now an it? I ask because in Exodus 20:5 it's god who is speaking and contradicting what he said in Ezekiel 18:20. Not some "it."

Exodus 20:1-5
20 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

And why do I say this ? Because all scripture is from god. Not some fictitious "Fathers" who were "handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation." To wit:

2 Timothy 3:16-17
"All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives. "

and

Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. "


Which means it is true that “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20 AS IS THE CONTRADICTION THAT "I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5



OF COURSE, if you're implying that god was visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation because some fictitious Fathers were "handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation," then the "visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children" would hold true for all time because all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives and that "Every word of God proves true. In which case “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” would be in violation of god's word in Exodus, but is also scripture given by god that is true.

Ah, that god of yours. What a guy. He's got you commin' and goin'.



.

I was calling the written word-it, not God.

But weren't those words the words of god? Words he spoke to Moses, which Moses subsequently wrote down?

Are they not Scripture given by god, as explained in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives"?

Other than not hearing them with your own two ears from god himself are they not what god wanted you to read and understand?

.

Much of the bible cannot be understood without being taught by the teachers Jesus appoints. Thatswhythere are over 30,000 differentreligions that claim to be christian= a laclk of understanding truth.

So, just who are these teachers, and how would we know they were appointed by Jesus? By their say-so, or do they carry a signed letter of authenticity of some sort?

.

[kjw47]

I was calling the written word-it, not God.

Your God is called 'Jehovah'....yes?

YHWH(Jehovah) yes.

[kjw47]

They teach a non existent trinity.

And so you think that they are all devil-guided in to believing that?

I think that you do believe that Jesus was/is God's son, and that you do believe in a Holy Spirit...is that right?

There are numerous different Christian churches and creeds, and many will point to all the others and claim that 'They are not Christians!'
How are you any different?

From Moses on up until this very day, The Israelite religion teach, serve and worship the Abrahamic God= a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah)-- Thus when Jesus and every bible writer attended their places of worship were taught, served and worshipped a single being God=YHWH(Jehovah)--God did not change. Catholicism changed him in 381 at the council of Constantinople. Not by Gods will but by his adversary's will to mislead.

[kjw47]

Gods truth doesnt contradict itself. Trinity translations contradict Gods truth because there are errors translated in.

TRUTH 1
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20

CONTRADICTION

TRUTH 2
“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5

,

I believe its because the Fathers handed down the same wicked practices to their children. That is one of satans #1 tools, to this day it occurs with 99% on earth. Many worship false gods, many pagan practices off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21) in the worlds celebrations, etc.

Other than that it doesn't matter what you believe, but what the Bible says---note that there is no "wicked-practices" qualification---it's interesting that apparently you also believe Satan bested god and what, made him utter this obvious contradiction? In any case, what God said in Exodus 20:5 stands in direct contradiction to what he said in Ezekiel 18:20. Gods truth does contradict itself.

.

It isnt contradicting itself. I explained what occurred--The Fathers mentioned in Exodus were handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation.

"IT"?? Your god is now an it? I ask because in Exodus 20:5 it's god who is speaking and contradicting what he said in Ezekiel 18:20. Not some "it."

Exodus 20:1-5
20 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

And why do I say this ? Because all scripture is from god. Not some fictitious "Fathers" who were "handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation." To wit:

2 Timothy 3:16-17
"All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives. "

and

Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. "


Which means it is true that “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20 AS IS THE CONTRADICTION THAT "I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5



OF COURSE, if you're implying that god was visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation because some fictitious Fathers were "handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation," then the "visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children" would hold true for all time because all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives and that "Every word of God proves true. In which case “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” would be in violation of god's word in Exodus, but is also scripture given by god that is true.

Ah, that god of yours. What a guy. He's got you commin' and goin'.



.

I was calling the written word-it, not God.

But weren't those words the words of god? Words he spoke to Moses, which Moses subsequently wrote down?

Are they not Scripture given by god, as explained in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives"?

Other than not hearing them with your own two ears from god himself are they not what god wanted you to read and understand?

.

Much of the bible cannot be understood without being taught by the teachers Jesus appoints. Thatswhythere are over 30,000 differentreligions that claim to be christian= a laclk of understanding truth.

So, just who are these teachers, and how would we know they were appointed by Jesus? By their say-so, or do they carry a signed letter of authenticity of some sort?

.

The teachings of Jesus clearly point to them. Like this super important one that many see yet few understand--Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking FIRST the kingdom and his (YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
Hallowed be thy( Father) name-YHWH(Jehovah)
John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus.

Its not to hard to see.

[Miles]

TRUTH 1
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20

CONTRADICTION

TRUTH 2
“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5

,

I believe its because the Fathers handed down the same wicked practices to their children. That is one of satans #1 tools, to this day it occurs with 99% on earth. Many worship false gods, many pagan practices off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21) in the worlds celebrations, etc.

Other than that it doesn't matter what you believe, but what the Bible says---note that there is no "wicked-practices" qualification---it's interesting that apparently you also believe Satan bested god and what, made him utter this obvious contradiction? In any case, what God said in Exodus 20:5 stands in direct contradiction to what he said in Ezekiel 18:20. Gods truth does contradict itself.

.

It isnt contradicting itself. I explained what occurred--The Fathers mentioned in Exodus were handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation.

"IT"?? Your god is now an it? I ask because in Exodus 20:5 it's god who is speaking and contradicting what he said in Ezekiel 18:20. Not some "it."

Exodus 20:1-5
20 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

And why do I say this ? Because all scripture is from god. Not some fictitious "Fathers" who were "handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation." To wit:

2 Timothy 3:16-17
"All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives. "

and

Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. "


Which means it is true that “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20 AS IS THE CONTRADICTION THAT "I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5



OF COURSE, if you're implying that god was visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation because some fictitious Fathers were "handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation," then the "visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children" would hold true for all time because all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives and that "Every word of God proves true. In which case “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” would be in violation of god's word in Exodus, but is also scripture given by god that is true.

Ah, that god of yours. What a guy. He's got you commin' and goin'.



.

I was calling the written word-it, not God.

But weren't those words the words of god? Words he spoke to Moses, which Moses subsequently wrote down?

Are they not Scripture given by god, as explained in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives"?

Other than not hearing them with your own two ears from god himself are they not what god wanted you to read and understand?

.

Much of the bible cannot be understood without being taught by the teachers Jesus appoints. Thatswhythere are over 30,000 differentreligions that claim to be christian= a laclk of understanding truth.

So, just who are these teachers, and how would we know they were appointed by Jesus? By their say-so, or do they carry a signed letter of authenticity of some sort?

.

The teachings of Jesus clearly point to them. Like this super important one that many see yet few understand--Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking FIRST the kingdom and his (YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
Hallowed be thy( Father) name-YHWH(Jehovah)
John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus.

Nice, I guess, but I still want to know who these teachers are, and how we can know they were truly appointed by Jesus.

Its not to hard to see.

Then what is it you're seeing? What is it that identifies these teachers that are so necessary to understanding the Bible?


.

[kjw47]

I believe its because the Fathers handed down the same wicked practices to their children. That is one of satans #1 tools, to this day it occurs with 99% on earth. Many worship false gods, many pagan practices off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21) in the worlds celebrations, etc.

Other than that it doesn't matter what you believe, but what the Bible says---note that there is no "wicked-practices" qualification---it's interesting that apparently you also believe Satan bested god and what, made him utter this obvious contradiction? In any case, what God said in Exodus 20:5 stands in direct contradiction to what he said in Ezekiel 18:20. Gods truth does contradict itself.

.

It isnt contradicting itself. I explained what occurred--The Fathers mentioned in Exodus were handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation.

"IT"?? Your god is now an it? I ask because in Exodus 20:5 it's god who is speaking and contradicting what he said in Ezekiel 18:20. Not some "it."

Exodus 20:1-5
20 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

And why do I say this ? Because all scripture is from god. Not some fictitious "Fathers" who were "handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation." To wit:

2 Timothy 3:16-17
"All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives. "

and

Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. "


Which means it is true that “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20 AS IS THE CONTRADICTION THAT "I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5



OF COURSE, if you're implying that god was visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation because some fictitious Fathers were "handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation," then the "visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children" would hold true for all time because all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives and that "Every word of God proves true. In which case “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” would be in violation of god's word in Exodus, but is also scripture given by god that is true.

Ah, that god of yours. What a guy. He's got you commin' and goin'.



.

I was calling the written word-it, not God.

But weren't those words the words of god? Words he spoke to Moses, which Moses subsequently wrote down?

Are they not Scripture given by god, as explained in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives"?

Other than not hearing them with your own two ears from god himself are they not what god wanted you to read and understand?

.

Much of the bible cannot be understood without being taught by the teachers Jesus appoints. Thatswhythere are over 30,000 differentreligions that claim to be christian= a laclk of understanding truth.

So, just who are these teachers, and how would we know they were appointed by Jesus? By their say-so, or do they carry a signed letter of authenticity of some sort?

.

The teachings of Jesus clearly point to them. Like this super important one that many see yet few understand--Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking FIRST the kingdom and his (YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
Hallowed be thy( Father) name-YHWH(Jehovah)
John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus.

Nice, I guess, but I still want to know who these teachers are, and how we can know they were truly appointed by Jesus.

Its not to hard to see.

Then what is it you're seeing? What is it that identifies these teachers that are so necessary to understanding the Bible?


.

The most important thing is that they serve the Abrahamic God= a single being God-YHWH(Jehovah)--The one Jesus pointed all to-John 4:22-24

[Miles]

Other than that it doesn't matter what you believe, but what the Bible says---note that there is no "wicked-practices" qualification---it's interesting that apparently you also believe Satan bested god and what, made him utter this obvious contradiction? In any case, what God said in Exodus 20:5 stands in direct contradiction to what he said in Ezekiel 18:20. Gods truth does contradict itself.

.

It isnt contradicting itself. I explained what occurred--The Fathers mentioned in Exodus were handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation.

"IT"?? Your god is now an it? I ask because in Exodus 20:5 it's god who is speaking and contradicting what he said in Ezekiel 18:20. Not some "it."

Exodus 20:1-5
20 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

And why do I say this ? Because all scripture is from god. Not some fictitious "Fathers" who were "handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation." To wit:

2 Timothy 3:16-17
"All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives. "

and

Proverbs 30:5-6
"Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. "


Which means it is true that “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20 AS IS THE CONTRADICTION THAT "I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5



OF COURSE, if you're implying that god was visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation because some fictitious Fathers were "handing down the same false god worship and wicked practices to their sons, generation after generation," then the "visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children" would hold true for all time because all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives and that "Every word of God proves true. In which case “The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” would be in violation of god's word in Exodus, but is also scripture given by god that is true.

Ah, that god of yours. What a guy. He's got you commin' and goin'.



.

I was calling the written word-it, not God.

But weren't those words the words of god? Words he spoke to Moses, which Moses subsequently wrote down?

Are they not Scripture given by god, as explained in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives"?

Other than not hearing them with your own two ears from god himself are they not what god wanted you to read and understand?

.

Much of the bible cannot be understood without being taught by the teachers Jesus appoints. Thatswhythere are over 30,000 differentreligions that claim to be christian= a laclk of understanding truth.

So, just who are these teachers, and how would we know they were appointed by Jesus? By their say-so, or do they carry a signed letter of authenticity of some sort?

.

The teachings of Jesus clearly point to them. Like this super important one that many see yet few understand--Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking FIRST the kingdom and his (YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
Hallowed be thy( Father) name-YHWH(Jehovah)
John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus.

Nice, I guess, but I still want to know who these teachers are, and how we can know they were truly appointed by Jesus.

Its not to hard to see.

Then what is it you're seeing? What is it that identifies these teachers that are so necessary to understanding the Bible?


.

The most important thing is that they serve the Abrahamic God= a single being God-YHWH(Jehovah)--The one Jesus pointed all to-John 4:22-24

Because of your refusal to provide any of the information I asked for it's clear that you have none, and have been blowing smoke all along. ―Nice guy―

Have a good day anyway.

.

[oldbadger]

YHWH(Jehovah) yes.

Now you've added yet another title.
If your God is called Jehovah and you think that the devil guided other bible translators in to using other titles, why don't you just use 'Jehovah'?
Or is it that this doesn't really matter?

And you've mentioned before that you believe Jesus was the son of God, and I expect there is a Holy spirit as well, yet you criticise other churches for linking all three together?