Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[JehovahsWitness]

Yes, angels are spirits and are not in the form of God.

God is a spirit
An angel is a spirit

The difference between the two is rank (position) age and power.

Both are non-physical life forms. If you beliece there is a THIRD catagory of lifeform ( physical , non-physical and a THIRD something else ...) , prove it from scripture.

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ANGELS , DEMONS and ...THE HEAVENLY CALLING

[Capbook]

Yes, angels are spirits and are not in the form of God.

God is a spirit
An angel is a spirit

The difference between the two is rank (position) age and power.

Both are non-physical life forms. If you beliece there is a THIRD catagory of lifeform ( physical , non-physical and a THIRD something else ...) , prove it from scripture.

Go to other posts related to ....

ANGELS , DEMONS and ...THE HEAVENLY CALLING

How about the question, are angels are in the form of God, is there's a verse that says that?
In comparison to the description of Jesus in Phil 2:6.

[JehovahsWitness]

Yes, angels are spirits and are not in the form of God.

God is a spirit
An angel is a spirit

The difference between the two is rank (position) age and power.

Both are non-physical life forms. If you beliece there is a THIRD catagory of lifeform ( physical , non-physical and a THIRD something else ...) , prove it from scripture.

Go to other posts related to ....

ANGELS , DEMONS and ...THE HEAVENLY CALLING

How about the question{ snip : diversion}

I repeat ....

Both are non-physical life forms. If you beliece there is a THIRD catagory of lifeform ( physical , non-physical and a THIRD something else ...) , prove it from scripture.

If you believe there is a verse that says there is a THIRD lifeform, produce it!

[onewithhim]

Many translations does not have that "name" before Jesus.

Neither does the New World Translation published by the Watchtower Society
.

MATTHEW 28:19 NWT

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit

(ASV) Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(BBE) Go then, and make disciples of all the nations, giving them baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(CEV) Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

(ERV) So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

(ESV) Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(ESV+)  R10 Go therefore and  R11 make disciples of  R12 all nations,  R10 baptizing them  R13 in N1 R14 the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(GNB) Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

It might be onewithhim's interpretation of the text.

Whatever it is, anyone that can read can see that your accusations that the NWT differs significantly in this verse from any other English translation is false.



JW

Good, the we are one in that text, one name, one God in three persons into which believers are baptized; and a proof of the true deity both of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; and that Christ, as the Son of God, is God. If interpreted as man allowed there, it should include John the Baptist whom baptized Jesus
I know JWs also follow what Jesus taught that baptism (Mat 28:19-20) is a requirement.

Jesus taught that baptism is a requirement for his followers. (Matthew 28:19, 20) The apostle Peter reaffirmed that teaching.—1 Peter 3:21.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... s-baptism/

Just think about what you said. Christ, as the SON of God, is God. Jesus is his own Son? That is what you are saying.

I think you are confuse, I notice when you see God, you always refer to the Father.
God is a state of being, just like men and women are one in the state of being human.
Or mankind to humans and Godkind to God. So, when a statement said, the Son of God, is God, means Jesus posses the state of being God.
"Godkind" is a term that can refer to divinity, gods, or being born into a supernatural class of people with God's nature.
https://www.google.com/search?q=godkind ... e&ie=UTF-8

Sorry to say, the confusion is yours. Just because Jesus and God are both spirit Persons, this doesn't mean that they are both God. The President and Joe Shmoe on the street are both humans yet they are not equal in position. God is more than a state of being. He is a Person that has feelings and moral standards and love for His creations. You just said that "Godkind" is a term that can refer to "being born into a supernatural class of people with God's nature." God's nature is SPIRIT and so is Christ's. That doesn't make them both God. And you never answered my question, when I said that the ANGELS are also spirits yet they are not God, and you waffled on that suggesting that the angels are not spirits, then---What are the angels if not spirits?

Yes, angels are spirits and are not in the form of God. If you still argue on the latter phrase provide verse.

This verse tells us what form God is in: "God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24, KJV)

So what form is God in? Isn't he the same form as the angels?

[Capbook]

Many translations does not have that "name" before Jesus.

Neither does the New World Translation published by the Watchtower Society
.

MATTHEW 28:19 NWT

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit

(ASV) Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(BBE) Go then, and make disciples of all the nations, giving them baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(CEV) Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

(ERV) So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

(ESV) Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(ESV+)  R10 Go therefore and  R11 make disciples of  R12 all nations,  R10 baptizing them  R13 in N1 R14 the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(GNB) Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

It might be onewithhim's interpretation of the text.

Whatever it is, anyone that can read can see that your accusations that the NWT differs significantly in this verse from any other English translation is false.



JW

Good, the we are one in that text, one name, one God in three persons into which believers are baptized; and a proof of the true deity both of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; and that Christ, as the Son of God, is God. If interpreted as man allowed there, it should include John the Baptist whom baptized Jesus
I know JWs also follow what Jesus taught that baptism (Mat 28:19-20) is a requirement.

Jesus taught that baptism is a requirement for his followers. (Matthew 28:19, 20) The apostle Peter reaffirmed that teaching.—1 Peter 3:21.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... s-baptism/

Just think about what you said. Christ, as the SON of God, is God. Jesus is his own Son? That is what you are saying.

I think you are confuse, I notice when you see God, you always refer to the Father.
God is a state of being, just like men and women are one in the state of being human.
Or mankind to humans and Godkind to God. So, when a statement said, the Son of God, is God, means Jesus posses the state of being God.
"Godkind" is a term that can refer to divinity, gods, or being born into a supernatural class of people with God's nature.
https://www.google.com/search?q=godkind ... e&ie=UTF-8

Sorry to say, the confusion is yours. Just because Jesus and God are both spirit Persons, this doesn't mean that they are both God. The President and Joe Shmoe on the street are both humans yet they are not equal in position. God is more than a state of being. He is a Person that has feelings and moral standards and love for His creations. You just said that "Godkind" is a term that can refer to "being born into a supernatural class of people with God's nature." God's nature is SPIRIT and so is Christ's. That doesn't make them both God. And you never answered my question, when I said that the ANGELS are also spirits yet they are not God, and you waffled on that suggesting that the angels are not spirits, then---What are the angels if not spirits?

Yes, angels are spirits and are not in the form of God. If you still argue on the latter phrase provide verse.

This verse tells us what form God is in: "God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24, KJV)

So what form is God in? Isn't he the same form as the angels?

What I mean is a verse that say like what was describe to Jesus in Phil 2:6.
Like, "angels are in the form of God" verse.

Php 2:6 who, though He (Jesus) was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped. (ESV)

[Rxlx]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1]
Maybe if you could read and understand the Bible you would know that today's Earth is definitely not going to be a paradise this side of Judgment Day.

Today's Earth is 70% water covered, 10% desert, 10% icy mountain and just 10% fertile land.

At CReation GOD made Earth as 100% dry land.

In the Days of Peleg He caused the crust to lift an dsink to separate the Babelites into their new nations.

After Judgment Day this dirty old Earth will be burned up and a new pure one made that will be as warm and fertile as The Garden of Eden.

[onewithhim]

Neither does the New World Translation published by the Watchtower Society
.



(ASV) Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(BBE) Go then, and make disciples of all the nations, giving them baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:

(CEV) Go to the people of all nations and make them my disciples. Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

(ERV) So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

(ESV) Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(ESV+)  R10 Go therefore and  R11 make disciples of  R12 all nations,  R10 baptizing them  R13 in N1 R14 the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(GNB) Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

It might be onewithhim's interpretation of the text.

Whatever it is, anyone that can read can see that your accusations that the NWT differs significantly in this verse from any other English translation is false.



JW

Good, the we are one in that text, one name, one God in three persons into which believers are baptized; and a proof of the true deity both of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; and that Christ, as the Son of God, is God. If interpreted as man allowed there, it should include John the Baptist whom baptized Jesus
I know JWs also follow what Jesus taught that baptism (Mat 28:19-20) is a requirement.

Jesus taught that baptism is a requirement for his followers. (Matthew 28:19, 20) The apostle Peter reaffirmed that teaching.—1 Peter 3:21.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... s-baptism/

Just think about what you said. Christ, as the SON of God, is God. Jesus is his own Son? That is what you are saying.

I think you are confuse, I notice when you see God, you always refer to the Father.
God is a state of being, just like men and women are one in the state of being human.
Or mankind to humans and Godkind to God. So, when a statement said, the Son of God, is God, means Jesus posses the state of being God.
"Godkind" is a term that can refer to divinity, gods, or being born into a supernatural class of people with God's nature.
https://www.google.com/search?q=godkind ... e&ie=UTF-8

Sorry to say, the confusion is yours. Just because Jesus and God are both spirit Persons, this doesn't mean that they are both God. The President and Joe Shmoe on the street are both humans yet they are not equal in position. God is more than a state of being. He is a Person that has feelings and moral standards and love for His creations. You just said that "Godkind" is a term that can refer to "being born into a supernatural class of people with God's nature." God's nature is SPIRIT and so is Christ's. That doesn't make them both God. And you never answered my question, when I said that the ANGELS are also spirits yet they are not God, and you waffled on that suggesting that the angels are not spirits, then---What are the angels if not spirits?

Yes, angels are spirits and are not in the form of God. If you still argue on the latter phrase provide verse.

This verse tells us what form God is in: "God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24, KJV)

So what form is God in? Isn't he the same form as the angels?

What I mean is a verse that say like what was describe to Jesus in Phil 2:6.
Like, "angels are in the form of God" verse.

Php 2:6 who, though He (Jesus) was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped. (ESV)

There is no verse that says "angels are in the form of God." It's a GIVEN. What else could they be? What do you think they are if NOT in the form of God?

[EYR]

[Replying to Divine Insight in post #2]

Sneerers like you are calling GOD and Jesus liars and will not be invited ot live in the new paradise Earth but wil gnash your teeth and wail when you learn your name is not in the Book of Life on Judgment Day.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1]
Maybe if you could read and understand the Bible you would know that today's Earth is definitely not going to be a paradise this side of Judgment Day.

Today's Earth is 70% water covered, 10% desert, 10% icy mountain and just 10% fertile land.

At CReation GOD made Earth as 100% dry land.

In the Days of Peleg He caused the crust to lift an dsink to separate the Babelites into their new nations.

After Judgment Day this dirty old Earth will be burned up and a new pure one made that will be as warm and fertile as The Garden of Eden.

I never suggested that the earth would be a paradise this side of Judgment Day. How can you say that the earth was once 100% dry land? That's not what Science or the Bible say. The earth is not "a dirty old earth." It is still beautiful in most places, and has the ability to renew itself from pollution, and evil men who are destroying the planet will be removed. (Psalm 37:10) This very earth will be made a "pure new one" with all evil people gone. That was God's original purpose and it will be fulfilled. (Ecclesiastes 1:4; Isaiah 55:11) His will was that mankind should live on a beautiful earth and take care of it. That will has not changed. (Genesis: 1:26,28; 2:14) This very earth will remain forever. The earth and the present heavens do not deserve to be destroyed.

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1]
Maybe if you could read and understand the Bible you would know that today's Earth is definitely not going to be a paradise this side of Judgment Day.

Today's Earth is 70% water covered, 10% desert, 10% icy mountain and just 10% fertile land.

At CReation GOD made Earth as 100% dry land.

In the Days of Peleg He caused the crust to lift an dsink to separate the Babelites into their new nations.

After Judgment Day this dirty old Earth will be burned up and a new pure one made that will be as warm and fertile as The Garden of Eden.

I never suggested that the earth would be a paradise this side of Judgment Day. How can you say that the earth was once 100% dry land? That's not what Science or the Bible say. The earth is not "a dirty old earth." It is still beautiful in most places, and has the ability to renew itself from pollution, and evil men who are destroying the planet will be removed. (Psalm 37:10) This very earth will be made a "pure new one" with all evil people gone. That was God's original purpose and it will be fulfilled. (Ecclesiastes 1:4; Isaiah 55:11) His will was that mankind should live on a beautiful earth and take care of it. That will has not changed. (Genesis: 1:26,28; 2:14) This very earth will remain forever. The earth and the present heavens do not deserve to be destroyed.

If your last statement is true, why did John saw a new heaven and new earth, and God said "I make all things new." (Rev 21:1,5)
And besides 2Pet 3:12 says, heavens being on fire shall be "dissolved", in Greek "lyo" which Bible lexicons one defintion as to destroy, demolish (John 2:19) same Greek word used and same Strong#G3089.

2Pe 3:12 Looking for G4328  and G2532  hasting G4692  unto the G3588  coming G3952  of the G3588  day G2250  of God, G2316  wherein G1223 G3739  the heavens G3772  being on fire G4448  shall be dissolved, G3089  and G2532  the elements G4747  shall melt G5080  with fervent heat?

Jhn 2:19 Jesus G2424  answered G611  and G2532  said G2036  unto them, G846  Destroy G3089  this G5126  temple, G3485  and G2532  in G1722  three G5140  days G2250  I will raise it up. G1453 G846 

G3089 (Mounce)
λύω
lyō
42x: to loosen, unbind, unfasten, Mrk 1:7; to loose, untie, Mat 21:2; Jhn 11:44; to disengage, 1Co 7:27; to set free, set at liberty, deliver, Luk 13:16; to break, Act 27:41; Rev 5:2; Rev 5:5; to break up, dismiss, Act 13:43; to destroy, demolish, Jhn 2:19; Eph 2:14; met to infringe, Mat 5:19; Jhn 5:18; Jhn 7:23; to make void, nullify, Jhn 10:35; in NT to declare free, of privileges, or, in respect of lawfulness, Mat 16:19.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.