JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #1625]

Worshipping any one or thing other than the Father (Jehovah) is sinning. He is the Most High (Psalm 83:18, KJV) Jesus said to worship the Father only (Luke 4:8, quoting from Deuteronomy 10:20,21), and he also said that we must get to know the Father if we want eternal life (John 17:3).

The disciples worship Jesus, do they sinned worshiping Jesus? (If Jesus is not a true God)
Matt 28:17
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
KJV

"Worship" can also mean merely showing respect and honor to an individual. We don't worship or honor Jesus as God Almighty. We have great respect for him.

The original Greek word of worship in that verse is proskuneoo, proskunoo;
The same used in John 4:23

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
KJV

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Capbook in post #1625]

Worshipping any one or thing other than the Father (Jehovah) is sinning. He is the Most High (Psalm 83:18, KJV) Jesus said to worship the Father only (Luke 4:8, quoting from Deuteronomy 10:20,21), and he also said that we must get to know the Father if we want eternal life (John 17:3).

The disciples worship Jesus...

No they didn't worship Jesus they paid hommage /obeisance to Jesus.


MATTHEW 28:17

New World Translation
When they saw him, they did obeisance, but some doubted

Weymouth New Testament
There they saw Him and prostrated themselves before Him. Yet some doubted.

World English Bible
When they saw him, they bowed down to him; but some doubted.

Young's Literal Translation
and having seen him, they bowed to him, but some did waver

Matthew 28:17 — 1890 Darby Bible (DARBY)
17 And when they saw him, they did homage to him: but some doubted

FURTHER READING : https://www.jehovah.to/xlation/wo.html

The original Greek word of worship in that verse is proskuneoo, proskunoo;
The same used in John 4:23

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
KJV

Do you understand the kind of "worship" that Jesus receives? It is not the kind of worship that the Father receives. "Worship" can mean merely paying homage to, or it can mean the recognition that one is revering the one and only true God, Jehovah. Jesus is not revered as the only true God, whom he himself called the Father (John 17:3).

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Capbook in post #1625]

Worshipping any one or thing other than the Father (Jehovah) is sinning. He is the Most High (Psalm 83:18, KJV) Jesus said to worship the Father only (Luke 4:8, quoting from Deuteronomy 10:20,21), and he also said that we must get to know the Father if we want eternal life (John 17:3).

The disciples worship Jesus...

No they didn't worship Jesus they paid hommage /obeisance to Jesus.


MATTHEW 28:17

New World Translation
When they saw him, they did obeisance, but some doubted

Weymouth New Testament
There they saw Him and prostrated themselves before Him. Yet some doubted.

World English Bible
When they saw him, they bowed down to him; but some doubted.

Young's Literal Translation
and having seen him, they bowed to him, but some did waver

Matthew 28:17 — 1890 Darby Bible (DARBY)
17 And when they saw him, they did homage to him: but some doubted

FURTHER READING : https://www.jehovah.to/xlation/wo.html

The original Greek word of worship in that verse is proskuneoo, proskunoo;
The same used in John 4:23

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
KJV

Do you understand the kind of "worship" that Jesus receives? It is not the kind of worship that the Father receives. "Worship" can mean merely paying homage to, or, on the other hand, it can mean the recognition that one is revering the one and only true God, Jehovah. Jesus is not revered as the only true God, whom he himself called the Father (John 17:3).

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[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1633]

Jesus himself said that he is not God. Please re-read the OP.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1634]

Capbook, I apologize but I don't remember whether or not you responded to the points in the OP. If you didn't, would you do so?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1634]

Capbook, I apologize but I don't remember whether or not you responded to the points in the OP. If you didn't, would you do so?

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[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #1625]

Worshipping any one or thing other than the Father (Jehovah) is sinning. He is the Most High (Psalm 83:18, KJV) Jesus said to worship the Father only (Luke 4:8, quoting from Deuteronomy 10:20,21), and he also said that we must get to know the Father if we want eternal life (John 17:3).

The disciples worship Jesus...

No they didn't worship Jesus they paid hommage /obeisance to Jesus.


MATTHEW 28:17

New World Translation
When they saw him, they did obeisance, but some doubted

Weymouth New Testament
There they saw Him and prostrated themselves before Him. Yet some doubted.

World English Bible
When they saw him, they bowed down to him; but some doubted.

Young's Literal Translation
and having seen him, they bowed to him, but some did waver

Matthew 28:17 — 1890 Darby Bible (DARBY)
17 And when they saw him, they did homage to him: but some doubted

FURTHER READING : https://www.jehovah.to/xlation/wo.html

The original Greek word of worship in that verse is proskuneoo, proskunoo;
The same used in John 4:23

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
KJV

Do you understand the kind of "worship" that Jesus receives? It is not the kind of worship that the Father receives. "Worship" can mean merely paying homage to, or it can mean the recognition that one is revering the one and only true God, Jehovah. Jesus is not revered as the only true God, whom he himself called the Father (John 17:3).

Is the Greek word of worship in Mat 24:17 and John 4:23 different?
How they differ?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Capbook in post #1625]

Worshipping any one or thing other than the Father (Jehovah) is sinning. He is the Most High (Psalm 83:18, KJV) Jesus said to worship the Father only (Luke 4:8, quoting from Deuteronomy 10:20,21), and he also said that we must get to know the Father if we want eternal life (John 17:3).

The disciples worship Jesus...

No they didn't worship Jesus they paid hommage /obeisance to Jesus.


MATTHEW 28:17

New World Translation
When they saw him, they did obeisance, but some doubted

Weymouth New Testament
There they saw Him and prostrated themselves before Him. Yet some doubted.

World English Bible
When they saw him, they bowed down to him; but some doubted.

Young's Literal Translation
and having seen him, they bowed to him, but some did waver

Matthew 28:17 — 1890 Darby Bible (DARBY)
17 And when they saw him, they did homage to him: but some doubted

FURTHER READING : https://www.jehovah.to/xlation/wo.html

The original Greek word of worship in that verse is proskuneoo, proskunoo;
The same used in John 4:23

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
KJV

Do you understand the kind of "worship" that Jesus receives? It is not the kind of worship that the Father receives. "Worship" can mean merely paying homage to, or it can mean the recognition that one is revering the one and only true God, Jehovah. Jesus is not revered as the only true God, whom he himself called the Father (John 17:3).

Is the Greek word of worship in Mat 24:17 and John 4:23 different?
How they differ?

No, but they have layered meanings. Just as "see" has in the Scriptures. Jesus used it as meaning peoples' understanding, not with the literal eye. (Matthew 16:9) Other scriptures use the word as literally seeing with the eye. Yet the word is the same. Different aspects of the same word.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Capbook in post #1625]

Worshipping any one or thing other than the Father (Jehovah) is sinning. He is the Most High (Psalm 83:18, KJV) Jesus said to worship the Father only (Luke 4:8, quoting from Deuteronomy 10:20,21), and he also said that we must get to know the Father if we want eternal life (John 17:3).

The disciples worship Jesus...

No they didn't worship Jesus they paid hommage /obeisance to Jesus.


MATTHEW 28:17

New World Translation
When they saw him, they did obeisance, but some doubted

Weymouth New Testament
There they saw Him and prostrated themselves before Him. Yet some doubted.

World English Bible
When they saw him, they bowed down to him; but some doubted.

Young's Literal Translation
and having seen him, they bowed to him, but some did waver

Matthew 28:17 — 1890 Darby Bible (DARBY)
17 And when they saw him, they did homage to him: but some doubted

FURTHER READING : https://www.jehovah.to/xlation/wo.html

The original Greek word of worship in that verse is proskuneoo, proskunoo;
The same used in John 4:23

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
KJV

Do you understand the kind of "worship" that Jesus receives? It is not the kind of worship that the Father receives. "Worship" can mean merely paying homage to, or it can mean the recognition that one is revering the one and only true God, Jehovah. Jesus is not revered as the only true God, whom he himself called the Father (John 17:3).

Is the Greek word of worship in Mat 24:17 and John 4:23 different?
How they differ?

No, but they have layered meanings. Just as "see" has in the Scriptures. Jesus used it as meaning peoples' understanding, not with the literal eye. (Matthew 16:9) Other scriptures use the word as literally seeing with the eye. Yet the word is the same. Different aspects of the same word.

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