JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #1977]

The only religion claiming to be christian that existed was Catholicism in the 4th century-thus it was by Catholicism the codex sinacticus was translated. Who else would bother? Certainly not the Jewish religion.

Can you support that claim with evidence and link?

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1975]

To address the OP, Jesus said himself that he was not God Almighty.

Verse that said it plainly please?

And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3, KJV)

The Father had said that eternal life is in His Son Jesus. Do the Father's words true to you or not? Or that it expires nine verse after 1 John 5:11?

"I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." (John 14:28, KJV)

Jesus also said I and the Father are one. (John 10:30) Also Jesus as the only begotten God. (John 1:18) NAS95.

"I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John 20:17c, KJV)

The Father's words Himself said to the Son, "Your throne, O God". Not what the Arians would quote that the throne is God.
Would the "my God" in Heb 1:9 can deny the Father's words that called Jesus "God" on the same verse?

You talk about doing "deep" research. You reveal about yourself that you have not done so. You completely ignore John 20:17 and continue with your spurious statements that the Father called Jesus "God." He did no such thing, as can be seen when going back to the Hebrew translation from which Paul copied the verse under consideration. In the Tanakh it is said that "Your divine throne is everlasting." No mention of calling Jesus "God." In verse 9 of Heb.1, it is very plain that Jesus has a God. "Your God" it says, showing that fact.

What does it mean that the Father and Christ are "one?" It means that they are in agreement. Jesus' disciples are also "one" with the Father and Jesus. (See John 17:20-23.)

I quote the Aramaic Hebrew of Psa 45:7, it does say "Your throne, O God," and if you interpret it to refer to a human king, can you find a verse that the forever and ever throne of that king in the New Testament?
And as "forever and ever" defined by Bible Lexicon as continuous existence, perpetual, everlasting, eternity and etc.
And such throne again is mentioned in Heb 1:8, from the Father's words Himself said to the Son, "Thy throne, O God is forever and ever."

Yes, in Heb 1:9 there is the "your God," do that erase the Father's words that said to the Son, "therefore God" of the same verse?

H5769 (Brown-Driver-Briggs)
עלם / עולם ‛ôlâm
BDB Definition:
1) long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world
1a) ancient time, long time (of past)
1b) (of future)
1b1) for ever, always
1b2) continuous existence, perpetual
1b3) everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternity


Heb 1:9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF JOY ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1975]

To address the OP, Jesus said himself that he was not God Almighty.

Verse that said it plainly please?

And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3, KJV)

The Father had said that eternal life is in His Son Jesus. Do the Father's words true to you or not? Or that it expires nine verse after 1 John 5:11?

"I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." (John 14:28, KJV)

Jesus also said I and the Father are one. (John 10:30) Also Jesus as the only begotten God. (John 1:18) NAS95.

"I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John 20:17c, KJV)

The Father's words Himself said to the Son, "Your throne, O God". Not what the Arians would quote that the throne is God.
Would the "my God" in Heb 1:9 can deny the Father's words that called Jesus "God" on the same verse?

You talk about doing "deep" research. You reveal about yourself that you have not done so. You completely ignore John 20:17 and continue with your spurious statements that the Father called Jesus "God." He did no such thing, as can be seen when going back to the Hebrew translation from which Paul copied the verse under consideration. In the Tanakh it is said that "Your divine throne is everlasting." No mention of calling Jesus "God." In verse 9 of Heb.1, it is very plain that Jesus has a God. "Your God" it says, showing that fact.

What does it mean that the Father and Christ are "one?" It means that they are in agreement. Jesus' disciples are also "one" with the Father and Jesus. (See John 17:20-23.)

I quote the Aramaic Hebrew of Psa 45:7, it does say "Your throne, O God," and if you interpret it to refer to a human king, can you find a verse that the forever and ever throne of that king in the New Testament?
And as "forever and ever" defined by Bible Lexicon as continuous existence, perpetual, everlasting, eternity and etc.
And such throne again is mentioned in Heb 1:8, from the Father's words Himself said to the Son, "Thy throne, O God is forever and ever."

Yes, in Heb 1:9 there is the "your God," do that erase the Father's words that said to the Son, "therefore God" of the same verse?

H5769 (Brown-Driver-Briggs)
עלם / עולם ‛ôlâm
BDB Definition:
1) long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world
1a) ancient time, long time (of past)
1b) (of future)
1b1) for ever, always
1b2) continuous existence, perpetual
1b3) everlasting, indefinite or unending future, eternity


Heb 1:9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF JOY ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”

Yes, that erases your take on Hebrews 1:8. Verse 9 shows that it is referring to God, the Father, as Jesus' God. My Tanakh says that the verse Paul is quoting says merely, "Your divine throne is everlasting." There is no mention of the Messiah being called "God." The translators that do say that God is calling His Son "God" are mistaken. Just check out Tanakh/ the new JPS translation according to the traditional Hebrew text, copyright 1985, Library of Congress Cataloging, Psalm 45.