Quranic contradictions?

[Abdullah]

None,

I challenge every person here to find any, you won't succeed.

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

When allah says let there be this is a command that Allah has given and this is the way Islam is taught by the commandments of allah and his messenger. There are many things that happen which aren't the way they were intended to be.

And herein lies the problems. If I walked into my local mosque and announced that I had renounced my faith, that I never truly believed in the first place (though I tried so hard), do you really think I could use your explanations and save myself from getting Bhuttoed or otherwise lynched? No. Theories work fine — in principle. Unfortunately the reality rarely matches the theory, and in this reality Islam (as in the various communities making up the ummah and how they conduct themselves) certainly DOES force compulsion on people — through fear of murder/death/assassination.

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

No response to that? Telling…

[muhammad rasullah]

muhammad rasullah

Many would disagree with you on the nature or nature of being Gay.

If I were to follow your logic to the Christian view then the abomination assigned to Gays would be transferred to whoever nurtured this Gayness and the Gays themselves would be exonerated from discrimination and denigration.

I personally believe in the nature end of the debate because it happens in many animal species of which we are but one.

I have listened to a Mr. Dedat speaking of your faith. He is impressive.

He stated that his God never makes mistakes.

Do you agree with his statement?

Many Christians feel that God has royally screwed up and they await His return to fix things up.

If your God does not make mistakes, does that mean that all of Gods creations are perfect as God Himself?

Or does His Perfection produce imperfection.

Regards
DL

Response

He stated that his God never makes mistakes.

Do you agree with his statement?

Yes, I agree with this statement God is all-knowing it is impossible for him to make a mistake. Even if we thought that God had made a mistake we still could not consciously say without having all the knowledge that God has say he has made a mistake or is incorrect. If we do it's like saying we know more than God which we don't.

Jesus says about god in the bible that you never seen his shape nor heard him speak. What return are they waiting for?

If your God does not make mistakes, does that mean that all of Gods creations are perfect as God Himself?

Or does His Perfection produce imperfection.

As I have told others that God does not create anything without purpose. Man was created to worship God and obey his laws and commands. Whether they realize that purpose and pursue it is there choice to decide Allah says truth is clearly distinguished from falsehood as the night from the day. Nothing can be perfect as God is God has no beginning and no ending and everything has been created by God and everything which is created has to have and end. 112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 112:2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;112:4 And there is none like unto Him. If man Understood the meaning of this verse the outcome would be remarkable but many fail to realize. Just because something is not perfect as God and created by God does not mean God produces imperfection. God has no partners and since God is the one and only who is perfect there cannot be two. So in the eyes of God we are imperfect but our creation is as God has intended it to be for God is all-knowing all wise.

[muhammad rasullah]

When allah says let there be this is a command that Allah has given and this is the way Islam is taught by the commandments of allah and his messenger. There are many things that happen which aren't the way they were intended to be.

And herein lies the problems. If I walked into my local mosque and announced that I had renounced my faith, that I never truly believed in the first place (though I tried so hard), do you really think I could use your explanations and save myself from getting Bhuttoed or otherwise lynched? No. Theories work fine — in principle. Unfortunately the reality rarely matches the theory, and in this reality Islam (as in the various communities making up the ummah and how they conduct themselves) certainly DOES force compulsion on people — through fear of murder/death/assassination.

Where do you get your information from and If your statement is so true why don't you go and try it to see what will happen? Or at least ask someone who is a practicing muslim because I'm sure that all the information you say you believe is only what you have heard and not what you have seen first hand. so quit the lies! And if your going to debate show me some actual evidence that this is the teahing of Islam. Remember you have to bring proof when you debate it's more than just a conversation!!

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

Mate, I have renounced Islam. I honestly believe that no life exists after death and I’d rather not commit suicide by declaring it at my local masjid, ok? Why don’t YOU try it out as an experiment (pretend you have turned murtad) and then come back here to detail the results … if you survive!?

[muhammad rasullah]

Mate, I have renounced Islam. I honestly believe that no life exists after death and I’d rather not commit suicide by declaring it at my local masjid, ok? Why don’t YOU try it out as an experiment (pretend you have turned murtad) and then come back here to detail the results … if you survive!?

Even if I were to do as you ask and return to tell you what happenned and had been right you still would not believe me. And if you believe no life exist after death why are you afraid of doing it you wouldn't be lying you'd be telling the truth. And it wouldn't be suicide either. How about we both do it and come back to talk about it?
3:185 Every human being is bound to taste death: but only on the Day of Resurrection will you be requited in full [for whatever you have done] - whereupon he that shall be drawn away from the fire and brought into paradise will indeed have gained a triumph: for the life of this world is nothing but an enjoyment of self-delusion.

[Greatest I Am]

muhammad rasullah

Many would disagree with you on the nature or nature of being Gay.

If I were to follow your logic to the Christian view then the abomination assigned to Gays would be transferred to whoever nurtured this Gayness and the Gays themselves would be exonerated from discrimination and denigration.

I personally believe in the nature end of the debate because it happens in many animal species of which we are but one.

I have listened to a Mr. Dedat speaking of your faith. He is impressive.

He stated that his God never makes mistakes.

Do you agree with his statement?

Many Christians feel that God has royally screwed up and they await His return to fix things up.

If your God does not make mistakes, does that mean that all of Gods creations are perfect as God Himself?

Or does His Perfection produce imperfection.

Regards
DL

Response

He stated that his God never makes mistakes.

Do you agree with his statement?

Yes, I agree with this statement God is all-knowing it is impossible for him to make a mistake. Even if we thought that God had made a mistake we still could not consciously say without having all the knowledge that God has say he has made a mistake or is incorrect. If we do it's like saying we know more than God which we don't.

Jesus says about god in the bible that you never seen his shape nor heard him speak. What return are they waiting for?

If your God does not make mistakes, does that mean that all of Gods creations are perfect as God Himself?

Or does His Perfection produce imperfection.

As I have told others that God does not create anything without purpose. Man was created to worship God and obey his laws and commands. Whether they realize that purpose and pursue it is there choice to decide Allah says truth is clearly distinguished from falsehood as the night from the day. Nothing can be perfect as God is God has no beginning and no ending and everything has been created by God and everything which is created has to have and end. 112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 112:2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;112:4 And there is none like unto Him. If man Understood the meaning of this verse the outcome would be remarkable but many fail to realize. Just because something is not perfect as God and created by God does not mean God produces imperfection. God has no partners and since God is the one and only who is perfect there cannot be two. So in the eyes of God we are imperfect but our creation is as God has intended it to be for God is all-knowing all wise.

Since we agree that God does not make mistakes, then why does He create Gays?
Surely not just for us to hate, denigrate and discriminate against.

From what you write, can I assume then that you do not believe in an end time, where God is to return. To fix an imperfect earth?

Regards
DL

[muhammad rasullah]

muhammad rasullah

Many would disagree with you on the nature or nature of being Gay.

If I were to follow your logic to the Christian view then the abomination assigned to Gays would be transferred to whoever nurtured this Gayness and the Gays themselves would be exonerated from discrimination and denigration.

I personally believe in the nature end of the debate because it happens in many animal species of which we are but one.

I have listened to a Mr. Dedat speaking of your faith. He is impressive.

He stated that his God never makes mistakes.

Do you agree with his statement?

Many Christians feel that God has royally screwed up and they await His return to fix things up.

If your God does not make mistakes, does that mean that all of Gods creations are perfect as God Himself?

Or does His Perfection produce imperfection.

Regards
DL

Response

He stated that his God never makes mistakes.

Do you agree with his statement?

Yes, I agree with this statement God is all-knowing it is impossible for him to make a mistake. Even if we thought that God had made a mistake we still could not consciously say without having all the knowledge that God has say he has made a mistake or is incorrect. If we do it's like saying we know more than God which we don't.

Jesus says about god in the bible that you never seen his shape nor heard him speak. What return are they waiting for?

If your God does not make mistakes, does that mean that all of Gods creations are perfect as God Himself?

Or does His Perfection produce imperfection.

As I have told others that God does not create anything without purpose. Man was created to worship God and obey his laws and commands. Whether they realize that purpose and pursue it is there choice to decide Allah says truth is clearly distinguished from falsehood as the night from the day. Nothing can be perfect as God is God has no beginning and no ending and everything has been created by God and everything which is created has to have and end. 112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 112:2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;112:3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;112:4 And there is none like unto Him. If man Understood the meaning of this verse the outcome would be remarkable but many fail to realize. Just because something is not perfect as God and created by God does not mean God produces imperfection. God has no partners and since God is the one and only who is perfect there cannot be two. So in the eyes of God we are imperfect but our creation is as God has intended it to be for God is all-knowing all wise.

Since we agree that God does not make mistakes, then why does He create Gays?
Surely not just for us to hate, denigrate and discriminate against.

From what you write, can I assume then that you do not believe in an end time, where God is to return. To fix an imperfect earth?

Regards
DL

Since we agree that God does not make mistakes, then why does He create Gays?
Surely not just for us to hate, denigrate and discriminate against.

From what you write, can I assume then that you do not believe in an end time, where God is to return. To fix an imperfect earth?

God does not create gays, being gay is a behavior that is learned and babies are not born gay. When you have a behavior that is excepted it becomes more prominent within the environment.

I don't believe God ever came so how can he return. And if God is all-knowing and all-powerful why would he need to come to earth to fix it? that is the reason God uses prophets to do his will. Islam believes that Isa (Jesus) is going to return during the last days but we don't believe him to be God. If God wanted him could end everything faster than the twinkling of an eye.

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

Yeshua‘, not ‘Isa! Even the ‘Arabic Bible refers to him as Yesua‘ (the Sheen in Hebrew tends to turn into a Seen in ‘Arabic, as with Shalom–Salaam).

[muhammad rasullah]

Yeshua‘, not ‘Isa! Even the ‘Arabic Bible refers to him as Yesua‘ (the Sheen in Hebrew tends to turn into a Seen in ‘Arabic, as with Shalom–Salaam).

I know the bible refers to him as Yeshua and not Jesus. There is no J in hebrew.
Of course the arabic bible would refer to him as Yesua cause it's the translation of the hebrew which arabic is maybe the closest to. In the quran Allah calls him Isa,

61:6 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

Waith qala AAeesa ibnu maryama ya banee israeela innee rasoolu Allahi ilaykum musaddiqan lima bayna yadayya mina alttawrati wamubashshiran birasoolin yatee min baAAdee ismuhu ahmadu falamma jaahum bialbayyinati qaloo hatha sihrun mubeenun
وَإِذْ قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُم مُّصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيَّ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَمُبَشِّرًا بِرَسُولٍ يَأْتِي مِن بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ فَلَمَّا جَاءهُم بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالُوا هَذَا سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ (61:6)