Persecution

[Realworldjack]

Are Christians being persecuted in the United States?

If so, please explain how.

[Purple Knight]

[Realworldjack]

[Replying to Purple Knight in post #2]

Well, this is not quite the persecution I was referring to. Rather, I was talking about Christians being able to live, work, participate in the political process, worship freely, and accepted as part of society. In other words, there is not a concerted effort to rid our society of Christians, say like there was. and maybe even still is, a concerted effort to eliminate the Jewish people.

As far as the things you are referring too, do you think that we as Christians may have brought this upon ourselves? I mean, it is a fact that we have a history of attempting to force our morality upon others. It is a fact the Church has been involved in what we call ourselves, "culture wars". Do you think that if we as Christians would stop attempting to take over politically, we would be more accepted? There is a tremendous difference between holding those who belong to the Church accountable to a code of conduct, as opposed to attempting to hold those outside the Church to the same code, who are not proclaiming to be Christians.

[Purple Knight]

As far as the things you are referring too, do you think that we as Christians may have brought this upon ourselves? I mean, it is a fact that we have a history of attempting to force our morality upon others.

But everybody does that, even atheists. They proselytize. A lot. Lately atheists are the most moralistic halo-wearers I've come across. Someone needs to remind them that they do not believe in the kind of divine moral authority they think they have.

I'm the only atheist who admits that if I say, "Murder is wrong, no reason, it just is, end of story," then I'm basically conceding God, because I'm saying something exists that just gets to say, something that just has that authority, something that can just override others and be right while they're wrong, and the only name for that is God. (Also that's why I think there's not one.)

Do you think that if we as Christians would stop attempting to take over politically, we would be more accepted?

Actually I think the reason people trample your rights is that they know they can get away with it, because you'll turn the other cheek. You don't see people badmouthing Islam because, well, they don't think the Muslims will turn the other cheek.

I'll probably get killed by a Muslim someday because I actually believe in treating people equally which means I ought to treat a Muslim the same way I treat a Christian: As someone who believes in an entity who probably doesn't exist, and even if he does exist, does not have the moral authority people think he has.

Well, this is not quite the persecution I was referring to.

It's a complicated issue. People say, "It's only censorship if the government does it," but it doesn't matter to the people who are losing the right to say or even believe certain things because they'll be cut off from society. You can say the same of persecution. But just the same, it doesn't matter who's doing it. It matters what real effects it has on the people being persecuted. And yes, Christians can still worship as they please. But if they can be badmouthed and other religions can't, well, let's just say I have very little faith in humanity and I don't put it past them to start killing Christians when every other door is shut and every other group protected.

[marke]

Are Christians being persecuted in the United States?

If so, please explain how.

Yes. Democrats jailed an innocent grandma for praying inside the US Capitol building on Jan 6.