This Debate Has Three Dreadful Questions
Do people who do not believe in Jesus go to hell?
Do Christians who live sinful lives go to hell?
Do Christians who have incorrect beliefs go to hell?
Word Of Truth Rightly Divided: Consider the question our Lord asked the wicked, " Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? " ( Matthew 23:33 ) The world is filled with such serpents who imagine they can escape the damnation of hell. Scripture assures us they cannot, Luke 16:26, and their doom is everlasting, Matthew 25:46. Some Christians are ashamed of hell, and deem it a blemish to God's holiness, but God is "not worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed anything," Acts 17:25. Some Christians are saddened by hell, as though God were saddened by it, but this is false. "And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought," Deuteronomy 28:63. The LORD will rejoice over you regardless of your fate, be it paradise or hellfire!
Do people who do not believe in Jesus go to hell? Take Christ's warning to heart: Mark 16:16 " He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned." The wicked deny this verse; they even rid it from their Bibles, but God is not deceived; the resurrection of our Lord assures us of the authority of this admonition. Damnation is not a pronouncement with nothing to suffer; It is a castigation with everything to suffer. Consider the voice of him that cried out in the wilderness: " he that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life,and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:36. Damnation brings every ounce of God's fury with it! People who do not believe in Jesus, must suffer the wrath of God everlastingly in a frightful place " where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched," Mark 9:44. Hell's worms will squirm within them, forever mocking their misery, while the flames repeatedly lash about. Nebuchadnezzar heated his furnace sevenfold, Daniel 3:19, beyond that it could do no more, but God's wrath has no limits, It is poured out without mixture, Revelation 14:10.
Do Christians Who Live Sinful Lives Go To Hell? Many Christians fancy themselves immune from God's wrath, "but God is not mocked, whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap," Galatians 6:7. The sinful Christian may pretend God's wrath will pass over him, but "we know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not", 1 John 5:18. Do you believe in Jesus? "Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more lest a worse thing come unto thee," John 5:14. Some Christians think a prayer will hide them from God's wrath. "If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross and follow me," Matthew 16:24. Christ doesn't tread the path of iniquity, "he that saith he abideth in Him, ought himself also to walk as He walked," 1 John 2:6. Many Christians will hear the horrifying words, " depart from Me, ye that work iniquity," Matthew 7:23. Prayer without obedience is deception! "Nevertheless they did flatter Him with their mouth, and they lied to Him with their tongues. For their heart were not right with Him, neither were they steadfast in His covenant." Psalms 78:36,37.
Do Christians Who Have Incorrect Beliefs Go To Hell? There is a woeful amount of ignorant Christians who believe God will spare them His awful wrath. But what saith Scripture? "But there were false prophets also among them, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction," 2 Peter 2:1. Incorrect beliefs, no matter how trivial the Church deems them, are in fact denying the Lord! God is a jealous God, Exodus 34:14, and demands we love Him with all our hearts, souls, and minds, Matthew 22:37. God will have all of the mind or none of it. The lazy Christian who shrugs off his duty to rightly divide the word of truth, 2 Timothy 2:15, thereby embracing foolishness, will receive no grace whatsoever from the Lord. "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven," Matthew 7:21. The will of the Lord, is to understand the will of the Lord, Ephesians 5:17. Paul doesn't admonish us in vain: "study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth," 2 Timothy 2:15. Like a workman we are to make it our occupation to study the Scriptures, so that we don't have to be ashamed of our ignorance and unprofitableness. This is the only way we can be approved unto God, fit for obedience and well pleasing to Him. We may have curious differences about things that pertain neither to God or godliness, but concerning the twain Christ saith " how is it that ye do not understand?" Mark 8:21.
Residents Of Everlasting Hell
Whosoever doesn't believe in Jesus will be accursed!
Whosoever calls himself a Christian, but disregards righteous conduct will be accursed!
Whosoever calls himself a Christian, but embraces ignorance of Scripture or false interpretations thereof, will be accursed!
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Re: Residents Of Everlasting Hell
Post #2NOTE Hell is simply the bible word for the common grave of mankind. Everybody, good or bad goes there. The righteous man Job prayed to go to hell, the patriarch Jacob expected to meet his good son Joseph there. People that do believe in Jesus and people that do not all go to "hell" it just means they all die.
GEHENNA on the other hand is death (non-existence without hope of a resurrection and that is reserved for the incorrigibly wicked.
GEHENNA on the other hand is death (non-existence without hope of a resurrection and that is reserved for the incorrigibly wicked.
- Do people who do not believe in Jesus go to hell ? Refering to "Gehenna" not necessarily. Many throughout history died without the opportunity or the time to properly learn about Jesus. A righteous God does not condemn the ignorant.
- Do Christians who live sinful lives go to hell? Not necessarily.
- Do Christians who have incorrect beliefs go to hell? see above.
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Re: Residents Of Everlasting Hell
Post #3I think essentially it goes by this:BrotherBerry wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 7:54 pm This Debate Has Three Dreadful Questions
Do people who do not believe in Jesus go to hell?
Do Christians who live sinful lives go to hell?
Do Christians who have incorrect beliefs go to hell?....
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matt. 25:46
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23
Those who are not righteous, go to hell, which is also called the second death where soul and body are destroyed.
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Post #4Should we suppose the wicked solely refers to those who live ungodly lives? Scripture certainly condemns such, Galatians 5:19-21. But scripture equally condemns those who do not believe in Jesus Christ. The unbelieving shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, along with murderers, sorcerers, idolaters, whoremongers, and liars, Revelation 21:8. People who do not believe in the Son, will experience the wrath of God, John 3:36. Jesus did not say in vain, " no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me," John 14:6. "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anathema," Corinthians 16:22.
"Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at His word," Isaiah 66:5. Christians with a low view of scripture can mock hell just as they mocked Christ's return, 2 Peter 3:3-11. Christ never mocked hell or His return. Christ was not in jest, as if He sought amusement. Nor was He saying things that were not so. Jesus only said what God commanded Him to say, John 12:49. Hell is not a place of fable. It is a dreadul place, "where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched," Mark 9:48. Its a place where the inhabitants are tormented by the flames, Luke 16:24. Hell is an "everlasting punishment," Matthew 25:46. "I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, fear Him," Luke 12:49.
Christians who deny the exclusivity of Christ's Gospel, or the actuality of the hell He forewarned, are believing in a bogus Gospel and a bogus Jesus. They are under Paul's anathema in Galatians 1:8. They " wrest the scriptures to their own destruction," 2 Peter 3:16. They are damned and rightfully so.
Those who seek to trivialize hell, as if a place of fable or allegory, would have trivialized Noah's warnings and perished in the flood. They would have trivialized Lot's warnings and perished in Sodom. They will taste the flames they mock in due time.
"Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at His word," Isaiah 66:5. Christians with a low view of scripture can mock hell just as they mocked Christ's return, 2 Peter 3:3-11. Christ never mocked hell or His return. Christ was not in jest, as if He sought amusement. Nor was He saying things that were not so. Jesus only said what God commanded Him to say, John 12:49. Hell is not a place of fable. It is a dreadul place, "where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched," Mark 9:48. Its a place where the inhabitants are tormented by the flames, Luke 16:24. Hell is an "everlasting punishment," Matthew 25:46. "I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, fear Him," Luke 12:49.
Christians who deny the exclusivity of Christ's Gospel, or the actuality of the hell He forewarned, are believing in a bogus Gospel and a bogus Jesus. They are under Paul's anathema in Galatians 1:8. They " wrest the scriptures to their own destruction," 2 Peter 3:16. They are damned and rightfully so.
Those who seek to trivialize hell, as if a place of fable or allegory, would have trivialized Noah's warnings and perished in the flood. They would have trivialized Lot's warnings and perished in Sodom. They will taste the flames they mock in due time.
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Post #5Woe to those pseudo-Christians who trivialize hell as if it were fable or allegory!
Were not Noah's warnings of the flood literal? 2 Peter 2:5, Genesis 7:1-24.
Were not Lot's warnings literal? Genesis 19:14, 24.
Were not every single one of Moses's warnings to Pharaoh literal?
It did not matter how trivial or esoteric, people considered the warnings, they literally suffered them and perished as fools.
Time would fail me to mention the precision in which prophetic warnings of war and destruction were brought about by the Syrians, Assyrians, Babylonions, Medes, Persians, and Greeks.
The Old Testament assures us that God's threats are not trivial.
Yet pseudo-Christians treat Christ's threats of hell as trivial, but their mockery will not prevent their doom!
Were not Noah's warnings of the flood literal? 2 Peter 2:5, Genesis 7:1-24.
Were not Lot's warnings literal? Genesis 19:14, 24.
Were not every single one of Moses's warnings to Pharaoh literal?
It did not matter how trivial or esoteric, people considered the warnings, they literally suffered them and perished as fools.
Time would fail me to mention the precision in which prophetic warnings of war and destruction were brought about by the Syrians, Assyrians, Babylonions, Medes, Persians, and Greeks.
The Old Testament assures us that God's threats are not trivial.
Yet pseudo-Christians treat Christ's threats of hell as trivial, but their mockery will not prevent their doom!
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Post #6I think the key to this whole issue is to understand what the word righteous means, because eternal life is promised only for righteous. I have understood wicked is the opposite of righteous, which I think means wisdom of the just, right understanding and desire for good. When a person has that right understanding, it leads him to do also the right actions, or to avoid doing bad things.BrotherBerry wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 2:44 am Should we suppose the wicked solely refers to those who live ungodly lives? Scripture certainly condemns such, Galatians 5:19-21. But scripture equally condemns those who do not believe in Jesus Christ. The unbelieving shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, along with murderers, sorcerers, idolaters, whoremongers, and liars, Revelation 21:8. People who do not believe in the Son, will experience the wrath of God, John 3:36. Jesus did not say in vain, " no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me," John 14:6. "If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anathema," Corinthians 16:22....
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Post #7I also believe in the Bible from Genesis to the maps. And you make God out to be a sadistic ogre, which he is not. Imagine torturing somebody forever....what would be the purpose? So that God could get some pleasure out of it? No, a fiery hell does not exist. The fire is symbolic of complete destruction. Christ told the Pharisees that they were liable to Gehenna, not Hell (Hades). Do some research on what Gehenna is. It is the same as the lake of fire, both of which mean complete obliteration.BrotherBerry wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:15 am Woe to those pseudo-Christians who trivialize hell as if it were fable or allegory!
Were not Noah's warnings of the flood literal? 2 Peter 2:5, Genesis 7:1-24.
Were not Lot's warnings literal? Genesis 19:14, 24.
Were not every single one of Moses's warnings to Pharaoh literal?
It did not matter how trivial or esoteric, people considered the warnings, they literally suffered them and perished as fools.
Time would fail me to mention the precision in which prophetic warnings of war and destruction were brought about by the Syrians, Assyrians, Babylonions, Medes, Persians, and Greeks.
The Old Testament assures us that God's threats are not trivial.
Yet pseudo-Christians treat Christ's threats of hell as trivial, but their mockery will not prevent their doom!
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Post #8I see that fire offends you.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 11:07 amI also believe in the Bible from Genesis to the maps. And you make God out to be a sadistic ogre, which he is not. Imagine torturing somebody forever....what would be the purpose? So that God could get some pleasure out of it? No, a fiery hell does not exist. The fire is symbolic of complete destruction. Christ told the Pharisees that they were liable to Gehenna, not Hell (Hades). Do some research on what Gehenna is. It is the same as the lake of fire, both of which mean complete obliteration.BrotherBerry wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:15 am Woe to those pseudo-Christians who trivialize hell as if it were fable or allegory!
Were not Noah's warnings of the flood literal? 2 Peter 2:5, Genesis 7:1-24.
Were not Lot's warnings literal? Genesis 19:14, 24.
Were not every single one of Moses's warnings to Pharaoh literal?
It did not matter how trivial or esoteric, people considered the warnings, they literally suffered them and perished as fools.
Time would fail me to mention the precision in which prophetic warnings of war and destruction were brought about by the Syrians, Assyrians, Babylonions, Medes, Persians, and Greeks.
The Old Testament assures us that God's threats are not trivial.
Yet pseudo-Christians treat Christ's threats of hell as trivial, but their mockery will not prevent their doom!
Leviticus 10:1,2 "and Nadab and Abihu...offered strange fire...and there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them..."
Leviticus 20:14 "and if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire."
Leviticus 21:9 "and the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."
Numbers 11:1 "and when the people complained, it displeased the LORD... and His anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them..."
Time would fail me to mention every time God burned an individual with fire or commanded it to be done to an individual.
God's wrath is not a trivial matter, though you think of Him "as a sadistic ogre."
Sinners will beg the mountains to fall on them and hide them from God's wrath, Revelation 6:16.
Many pseudo-Christians will wish they could vanish and cease to exist, but hell will not afford them that luxury. They will suffer horribly in hell and curse God every moment, Matthew 13:50.
And all the heathen who were told that God's wrath is harmless and hell is a termination of existence, will suffer horribly and curse those who told them lies. They will wish it possible to warn people of hell's flames, Luke 16:28-31.
Many sinners wish they could cease to exist rather than face God's wrath, but "there is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked," Isaiah 48:22
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Post #9BrotherBerry wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 1:12 pmI see that fire offends you.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 11:07 amI also believe in the Bible from Genesis to the maps. And you make God out to be a sadistic ogre, which he is not. Imagine torturing somebody forever....what would be the purpose? So that God could get some pleasure out of it? No, a fiery hell does not exist. The fire is symbolic of complete destruction. Christ told the Pharisees that they were liable to Gehenna, not Hell (Hades). Do some research on what Gehenna is. It is the same as the lake of fire, both of which mean complete obliteration.BrotherBerry wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:15 am Woe to those pseudo-Christians who trivialize hell as if it were fable or allegory!
Were not Noah's warnings of the flood literal? 2 Peter 2:5, Genesis 7:1-24.
Were not Lot's warnings literal? Genesis 19:14, 24.
Were not every single one of Moses's warnings to Pharaoh literal?
It did not matter how trivial or esoteric, people considered the warnings, they literally suffered them and perished as fools.
Time would fail me to mention the precision in which prophetic warnings of war and destruction were brought about by the Syrians, Assyrians, Babylonions, Medes, Persians, and Greeks.
The Old Testament assures us that God's threats are not trivial.
Yet pseudo-Christians treat Christ's threats of hell as trivial, but their mockery will not prevent their doom!
Leviticus 10:1,2 "and Nadab and Abihu...offered strange fire...and there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them..."
Leviticus 20:14 "and if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire."
Leviticus 21:9 "and the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."
Numbers 11:1 "and when the people complained, it displeased the LORD... and His anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them..."
Time would fail me to mention every time God burned an individual with fire or commanded it to be done to an individual.
God's wrath is not a trivial matter, though you think of Him "as a sadistic ogre."
Sinners will beg the mountains to fall on them and hide them from God's wrath, Revelation 6:16.
Many pseudo-Christians will wish they could vanish and cease to exist, but hell will not afford them that luxury. They will suffer horribly in hell and curse God every moment, Matthew 13:50.
And all the heathen who were told that God's wrath is harmless and hell is a termination of existence, will suffer horribly and curse those who told them lies. They will wish it possible to warn people of hell's flames, Luke 16:28-31.
Many sinners wish they could cease to exist rather than face God's wrath, but "there is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked," Isaiah 48:22
So you're claiming that the wages of sin is not death?
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Post #10myth-one.com wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 10:50 pmBrotherBerry wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 1:12 pmI see that fire offends you.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 11:07 amI also believe in the Bible from Genesis to the maps. And you make God out to be a sadistic ogre, which he is not. Imagine torturing somebody forever....what would be the purpose? So that God could get some pleasure out of it? No, a fiery hell does not exist. The fire is symbolic of complete destruction. Christ told the Pharisees that they were liable to Gehenna, not Hell (Hades). Do some research on what Gehenna is. It is the same as the lake of fire, both of which mean complete obliteration.BrotherBerry wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 4:15 am Woe to those pseudo-Christians who trivialize hell as if it were fable or allegory!
Were not Noah's warnings of the flood literal? 2 Peter 2:5, Genesis 7:1-24.
Were not Lot's warnings literal? Genesis 19:14, 24.
Were not every single one of Moses's warnings to Pharaoh literal?
It did not matter how trivial or esoteric, people considered the warnings, they literally suffered them and perished as fools.
Time would fail me to mention the precision in which prophetic warnings of war and destruction were brought about by the Syrians, Assyrians, Babylonions, Medes, Persians, and Greeks.
The Old Testament assures us that God's threats are not trivial.
Yet pseudo-Christians treat Christ's threats of hell as trivial, but their mockery will not prevent their doom!
Leviticus 10:1,2 "and Nadab and Abihu...offered strange fire...and there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them..."
Leviticus 20:14 "and if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire."
Leviticus 21:9 "and the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."
Numbers 11:1 "and when the people complained, it displeased the LORD... and His anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them..."
Time would fail me to mention every time God burned an individual with fire or commanded it to be done to an individual.
God's wrath is not a trivial matter, though you think of Him "as a sadistic ogre."
Sinners will beg the mountains to fall on them and hide them from God's wrath, Revelation 6:16.
Many pseudo-Christians will wish they could vanish and cease to exist, but hell will not afford them that luxury. They will suffer horribly in hell and curse God every moment, Matthew 13:50.
And all the heathen who were told that God's wrath is harmless and hell is a termination of existence, will suffer horribly and curse those who told them lies. They will wish it possible to warn people of hell's flames, Luke 16:28-31.
Many sinners wish they could cease to exist rather than face God's wrath, but "there is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked," Isaiah 48:22
So you're claiming that the wages of sin is not death?
"It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement," Hebrew 9:27.
If death settled God's wrath than sinners would just say, "let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we shall die," Isaiah 22:13.
Sin brought the death sentence to the world, 1 Corinthians 15:22, but it is not the eternal verdict, 2 Corinthians 5:10, John 5:22-24.
Eternal judgement is an elementary principle of Christ, Hebrews 6:1,2, which unfortunately is denied by many pseudo-Christians.