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The Lord shows signs, wonders and miracles to us, in us and around us. Do we see and acknowledge them or...dismiss them as coincidence, odd happenings, or the famous line...."there's a perfectly logical explanation for this?" Some are HUGE miracles and others are wonderful reminders that....He is with us.


Numbers 14:11 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke Me? and how long will it be ere they believe Me, for all the signs which I have shewed among them?


It's so funny to see that verse and it's content for the sign I'm given ALL THE TIME is 1 & 4...as in that verse, 14:11. It literally was what brought me out of Egypt.


Deuteronomy 26:8 And the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders:


And....so He did! The signs and wonders are given us but do we see and hear? Do we acknowledge them for what they are? As He demonstrated signs and miracles to "all Israel," understand...we too are Israel and He is showing signs today to bring us out of Egypt, out of the world.


Deuteronomy 29:2-4 And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all His servants, and unto all His land; The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles: Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.


As the Lord told Saul...He tells us....

1 Samuel 10:6-8 And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man. And let it be, when these signs are come unto thee, that thou do as occasion serve thee; for God is with thee. And thou shalt go down before me to Gilgal; and, behold, I will come down unto thee, to offer burnt offerings, and to sacrifice sacrifices of peace offerings: seven days shalt thou tarry, till I come to thee, and shew thee what thou shalt do.


An excerpt from ~ The Complete Works of C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock, Chapter 2 - Miracles

I have know only one person in my life who claimed to have seen a ghost. It was a woman; and the interesting thing is that she disbelieved in the immortality of the soul before seeing the ghost and still disbelieves after having seen it. She thinks it was a hallucination. In other words, SEEING IS NOT BELIEVING. Whatever experiences we may have, we shall not regard them as miraculous if we already hold a philosophy which excludes the supernatural.

A great deal of scepticism now current about the miracles of our Lord does not, however, come from disbelief of all reality beyond nature. In the first place, modern people have an almost aesthetic dislike of miracles. Admitting that God can, they doubt if He would. To violate the laws He Himself has imposed on His creation seems to them arbitrary, clumsy, a theatrical device only fit to impress savages - as if the resurrection of the dead were the same sort of thing as two and two making five.


Do the readers here receive signs and if so...do you recognize them as such. Or is "seeing not believing?"

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Might I suggest that you give an example of a sign everyone should have "seen" then ask if they saw it? Asking if someone sees signs but does not know they are signs is too ambiguous.

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Do the readers here receive signs and if so...do you recognize them as such. Or is "seeing not believing?"
As for myself, no - I have never seen a miracle. Have you? If so, please describe it and explain how you know it was a miracle, and whether or not you would expect us to accept your view - that you truly witnessed an actual miracle.

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As for myself, no - I have never seen a miracle. Have you? If so, please describe it and explain how you know it was a miracle, and whether or not you would expect us to accept your view - that you truly witnessed an actual miracle.

What about all of the scripture you just quoted? Miracles have ceased.

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rsvp wrote:
As for myself, no - I have never seen a miracle. Have you? If so, please describe it and explain how you know it was a miracle, and whether or not you would expect us to accept your view - that you truly witnessed an actual miracle.



What about all of the scripture you just quoted? Miracles have ceased.


Seems rather convenient. What evidence is there that the biblical accounts of miracles are true?

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rsvp wrote:
As for myself, no - I have never seen a miracle. Have you? If so, please describe it and explain how you know it was a miracle, and whether or not you would expect us to accept your view - that you truly witnessed an actual miracle.

What about all of the scripture you just quoted? Miracles have ceased.
Could it be that the reason that 'miracles' have ceased is that people are more skeptical and knowledgeable about things? It is harder to make unsupported claims, and to fool people now.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

Steven Novella

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It is harder to make unsupported claims, and to fool people now.
Were people just plain stupid way back when or something? They were fooled into thinking Jesus was dead? I disagree with you Goat. It is no harder today than it was then. People were just as skeptical then as they are now.

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Seems rather convenient. What evidence is there that the biblical accounts of miracles are true?

Eye witness accounts.

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rsvp wrote:
Seems rather convenient. What evidence is there that the biblical accounts of miracles are true?

Eye witness accounts.
What eyewitness accounts exist, and how do you know: 1) they really are eyewitness accounts; 2) they accurately report historical fact?

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fredonly wrote:
rsvp wrote:
Seems rather convenient. What evidence is there that the biblical accounts of miracles are true?

Eye witness accounts.
What eyewitness accounts exist, and how do you know: 1) they really are eyewitness accounts; 2) they accurately report historical fact?

If you want to debate the Authority of the Bible you need to post in the appologetics forum.

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