What did jesus say he about himself?

[muhammad rasullah]

Many debates have been held concerning the divinity of jesus and who in reality Jesus was. Now the first logical thing one should is determine what did jesus say about himself? Who did jesus say he was? Did he claim to be God or not? Or did he claim something different? What I truly want to ask those who say and believe that jesus is God is if he ever said such a thing?

Of course this should be easy to find about someone so prominent in history. If he is God then he had to have claimed it somewhere because that would seem to be God's very nature.

So here is the debate, what did jesus say about himself? Did he say he was God or did others raise him to that status? Or did he simply say something different? I assume Jesus would know about himself better than others.

[daedalus 2.0]

Like I said,
I'm not going back and forth with you about the entire bible.
If you can make your point in one subject, you have made your point.
So pick your subject and we will debate that subject only.
I don't want to jump around. Tell me what specifically contradicts and then we can debate it.
Keep in mind that I will be making spiritual points,
but I will back them with scripture.

What would you like to debate?
What is your contradiction of choice?

Which Bible? Are you going to be the one that determines which Scripture you accept as "gospel"?

I would like to use the Book of Mormon. Does your challenge still stand?

[InTheFlesh]

There you go again jumping in without reading the posts.
Why don't you just remove that usergroup from your profile?

If you had read, you would have seen that I posted this in my rules.

"I say there is no contradiction in the KJV bible from Genesis to Revelation.
I'm not looking to debate whether the books should or shouldn't be in the bible."

And by the way, my offer is not for you as you already stated that you would not debate me.

"I won't debate you because I find regurgitation of Apologetics tiresome"

[Bennettresearch]

Many debates have been held concerning the divinity of jesus and who in reality Jesus was. Now the first logical thing one should is determine what did jesus say about himself? Who did jesus say he was? Did he claim to be God or not? Or did he claim something different? What I truly want to ask those who say and believe that jesus is God is if he ever said such a thing?

Of course this should be easy to find about someone so prominent in history. If he is God then he had to have claimed it somewhere because that would seem to be God's very nature.

So here is the debate, what did jesus say about himself? Did he say he was God or did others raise him to that status? Or did he simply say something different? I assume Jesus would know about himself better than others.

Hi,

Good question. Jesus said He was the Son of Man, meaning He was a prophet. No citation necessary. He also said He was given life in Himself by God. No citation necessary. All things considered, meaning the possibility that there is not a verifiable stream of quotes of what Jesus actually said, the declaration that Jesus is God is a product of the propaganda by those in charge of compiling the Gospels.

Craig

[muhammad rasullah]

Like I said,
I'm not going back and forth with you about the entire bible.
If you can make your point in one subject, you have made your point.
So pick your subject and we will debate that subject only.
I don't want to jump around. Tell me what specifically contradicts and then we can debate it.
Keep in mind that I will be making spiritual points,
but I will back them with scripture.

What would you like to debate?
What is your contradiction of choice?

Okay well here is point number one.
Ahaziah's age how old was ahaziah the son of Jehoram when he began to reign in jerusalem?
2nd Kings 8:26 Two and twenty years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name [was] Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2nd chronicles 22:2 Forty and two years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also [was] Athaliah the daughter of Omri.


Directly from your king james bible this is a contradiction! So how old was he? also how do we go directly to the head to head set up forum?

[InTheFlesh]

Like I said,
I'm not going back and forth with you about the entire bible.
If you can make your point in one subject, you have made your point.
So pick your subject and we will debate that subject only.
I don't want to jump around. Tell me what specifically contradicts and then we can debate it.
Keep in mind that I will be making spiritual points,
but I will back them with scripture.

What would you like to debate?
What is your contradiction of choice?

Okay well here is point number one.
Ahaziah's age how old was ahaziah the son of Jehoram when he began to reign in jerusalem?
2nd Kings 8:26 Two and twenty years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name [was] Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2nd chronicles 22:2 Forty and two years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also [was] Athaliah the daughter of Omri.


Directly from your king james bible this is a contradiction! So how old was he? also how do we go directly to the head to head set up forum?

Ahaziah was 22 years old.
Are you ready to debate this and ONLY this in head to head?
There will be no point two. I told you to pick your strongest contradiction.
Either you will show that the bible is wrong or you won't.
You will not get a second shot in head to head with me.
Ready to start?
I will get it started after you respond.
Good Luck!

[muhammad rasullah]

Like I said,
I'm not going back and forth with you about the entire bible.
If you can make your point in one subject, you have made your point.
So pick your subject and we will debate that subject only.
I don't want to jump around. Tell me what specifically contradicts and then we can debate it.
Keep in mind that I will be making spiritual points,
but I will back them with scripture.

What would you like to debate?
What is your contradiction of choice?

Okay well here is point number one.
Ahaziah's age how old was ahaziah the son of Jehoram when he began to reign in jerusalem?
2nd Kings 8:26 Two and twenty years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name [was] Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2nd chronicles 22:2 Forty and two years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also [was] Athaliah the daughter of Omri.


Directly from your king james bible this is a contradiction! So how old was he? also how do we go directly to the head to head set up forum?

Ahaziah was 22 years old.
Are you ready to debate this and ONLY this in head to head?
There will be no point two. I told you to pick your strongest contradiction.
Either you will show that the bible is wrong or you won't.
You will not get a second shot in head to head with me.
Ready to start?
I will get it started after you respond.
Good Luck!

yup I am ready to start just tell me how he is twenty two years old when it says he is forty two in another part of the bible? we can start right now it doesnt matter because there is no way to clear up he fact that there are two different ages for ahaziah in the bible when he began to reign. So bring your proof for whatever your response is and use scripture only as you said before.

[Bennettresearch]

Like I said,
I'm not going back and forth with you about the entire bible.
If you can make your point in one subject, you have made your point.
So pick your subject and we will debate that subject only.
I don't want to jump around. Tell me what specifically contradicts and then we can debate it.
Keep in mind that I will be making spiritual points,
but I will back them with scripture.

What would you like to debate?
What is your contradiction of choice?

Okay well here is point number one.
Ahaziah's age how old was ahaziah the son of Jehoram when he began to reign in jerusalem?
2nd Kings 8:26 Two and twenty years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name [was] Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2nd chronicles 22:2 Forty and two years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also [was] Athaliah the daughter of Omri.


Directly from your king james bible this is a contradiction! So how old was he? also how do we go directly to the head to head set up forum?

Hi,

I don't know why I got an email about this argument but I am not involved in it. It has gone far astray from the original question. I do have a question for you Muhammad;

Why don't you cut to the chase? What relevance does a discrepancy in the OT have with your main theme in this thread? Most scholars agree that the NT has quotes of Jesus in it that he probably didn't make. If you want to waste time debating this go ahead but I find no coherency in your thread to get into it.

Craig

[muhammad rasullah]

Like I said,
I'm not going back and forth with you about the entire bible.
If you can make your point in one subject, you have made your point.
So pick your subject and we will debate that subject only.
I don't want to jump around. Tell me what specifically contradicts and then we can debate it.
Keep in mind that I will be making spiritual points,
but I will back them with scripture.

What would you like to debate?
What is your contradiction of choice?

Okay well here is point number one.
Ahaziah's age how old was ahaziah the son of Jehoram when he began to reign in jerusalem?
2nd Kings 8:26 Two and twenty years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name [was] Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2nd chronicles 22:2 Forty and two years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also [was] Athaliah the daughter of Omri.


Directly from your king james bible this is a contradiction! So how old was he? also how do we go directly to the head to head set up forum?

Hi,

I don't know why I got an email about this argument but I am not involved in it. It has gone far astray from the original question. I do have a question for you Muhammad;

Why don't you cut to the chase? What relevance does a discrepancy in the OT have with your main theme in this thread? Most scholars agree that the NT has quotes of Jesus in it that he probably didn't make. If you want to waste time debating this go ahead but I find no coherency in your thread to get into it.

Craig

It really has very little to do with the original topic other than the fact that if the bible is proven contradictory then it would be hard to believe other things which are said in it. Thus making it not he word of God. you see everytime a thread is started about christian theology it always goes of topic because they try to divert attention to other things when no answer can be given or only an explanation is given that is not scriptural. but I am still addressing the original topic I started with because the fact is that jesus never said he was God but always referred to himself when talking about god as his servent and as being sent by god. Believing that jesus is God is only a concoction of scripture trying to make the bible fit to what they already believe instead if what it says.

[InTheFlesh]

I agree with Muhammad.
If anything in the bible is false,
then it is not trustworthy.
But if the Word is pure
and inspired by God,
it contains no errors.

[InTheFlesh]

Like I said,
I'm not going back and forth with you about the entire bible.
If you can make your point in one subject, you have made your point.
So pick your subject and we will debate that subject only.
I don't want to jump around. Tell me what specifically contradicts and then we can debate it.
Keep in mind that I will be making spiritual points,
but I will back them with scripture.

What would you like to debate?
What is your contradiction of choice?

Okay well here is point number one.
Ahaziah's age how old was ahaziah the son of Jehoram when he began to reign in
jerusalem?
2nd Kings 8:26 Two and twenty years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name [was] Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2nd chronicles 22:2 Forty and two years old [was] Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also [was] Athaliah the daughter of Omri.


Directly from your king james bible this is a contradiction! So how old was he? also how do we go directly to the head to head set up forum?

Ahaziah was 22 years old.
Are you ready to debate this and ONLY this in head to head?
There will be no point two. I told you to pick your strongest contradiction.
Either you will show that the bible is wrong or you won't.
You will not get a second shot in head to head with me.
Ready to start?
I will get it started after you respond.
Good Luck!

yup I am ready to start just tell me how he is twenty two years old when it says he is forty two in another part of the bible? we can start right now it doesnt matter because there is no way to clear up he fact that there are two different ages for ahaziah in the bible when he began to reign. So bring your proof for whatever your response is and use scripture only as you said before.

I will. I was not able to start the head to head thread either?
MODS, how do we get in? Thanks