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Jesus is God - Jude - Michael does not rebuke Satan

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Jude 1:9 Even the archangel Michael, when he argued with the Devil and fought over the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him. Instead, he said, “May the Lord rebuke you!”
Matthew 4
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Jesus is Tempted by Satan
4 After this, Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. 2 After fasting for 40 days and 40 nights, he finally became hungry.

3 Then the tempter came. “Since[a] you are the Son of God,” he said, “tell these stones to become loaves of bread.”

4 But he answered, “It is written,

‘One must not live on bread alone,
but on every word coming
out of the mouth of God.’”

5 Then the Devil took him to the Holy City and had him stand on the highest point of the Temple. 6 He told Jesus, “Since you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, because it is written,

‘God will put his angels in charge of you,’

and,

‘With their hands they will hold you up,
so that you will never hit your foot against a rock.’”

7 Jesus responded to him, “It is also written, ‘You must not tempt the Lord your God.’”

8 Once more the Devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, along with their splendor. 9 He told Jesus, “I will give you all these things if you will bow down and worship me!”

10 Then Jesus told him, “Go away, Satan! Because it is written,

‘You must worship the Lord your God
and serve only him.’”

11 So the Devil left him, and angels came and began ministering to him.

Michael does not rebuke Satan and says May the Lord rebuke you.
Jesus does rebuke Satan.

Therefore:
Jesus is not Michael.
Jesus is the Lord.
Jesus is God.

Does this prove Jesus is not Michael?
Does this prove Jesus is God?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:06 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:27 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:52 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:49 am NT:725
2. a thing seized or to be seized, booty:
<a(rpagmo/n
<END to deem anything a prlze — a thing to be seized upon or to be held fast, retained, Phil 2:6
(Thayer's Greek Lexicon)
Emphasis MINE


So since Paul speaks of this in the negative (something Jesus did NOT do) Paul is saying he (Jesus) did not even consider robbing or grabbing equality with God.


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Can "retained" also be used as definition of robbery or not?
Not in the context if the scripture, no.
Is it not one of the definition of Lexicon for robbery?
Is it that we are choosing definition that suits our belief.

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Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:20 am Is it that we are choosing definition that suits our belief.
If that is what you want to do feel free. It would be better to choose the definition that fits the context of the scriptures in question.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:22 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:20 am Is it that we are choosing definition that suits our belief.
If that is what you want to do feel free. It would be better to choose the definition that fits the context of the scriptures in question.
So, your belief that Jesus is not equal with God is not absolute.
As one definition makes Jesus equal with God.

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Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:25 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:22 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:20 am Is it that we are choosing definition that suits our belief.
If that is what you want to do feel free. It would be better to choose the definition that fits the context of the scriptures in question.
So, your belief that Jesus is not equal with God is not absolute.
Is that a question?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:26 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:25 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:22 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:20 am Is it that we are choosing definition that suits our belief.
If that is what you want to do feel free. It would be better to choose the definition that fits the context of the scriptures in question.
So, your belief that Jesus is not equal with God is not absolute.
Is that a question?
No, it's my conclusion, due to "retained" definition of robbery in lexicon.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:22 am Is that a question?
Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:46 am No, it's my conclusion.
I don't care about your conclusion, I care what God says.


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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:01 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:22 am Is that a question?
Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:46 am No, it's my conclusion.
I don't care about your conclusion, I care what God says.


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Yes, God says they are equal. (Heb 1:9) in support to Phi 2:6.

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Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:26 am...God says they are equal. (Heb 1:9) in support to Phi 2:6.
I cannot see that in those verses.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 10:35 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:26 am...God says they are equal. (Heb 1:9) in support to Phi 2:6.
I cannot see that in those verses.
The Father addressed the Son, "God, even thy God" not "God, even the Almighty God" which would render Jesus as not equal with the Father.

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Capbook wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 3:32 am
The Father addressed the Son ...
Where does the "The Father address the son" I see no such scripture. Hebrews 1v8 says God speaks about his son.

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