Atheist Public Monument

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Atheist Public Monument

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http://sojo.net/blogs/2013/06/06/atheists-unveil-first-monument-unbelief-public-land/ wrote: On June 29, the group American Atheists will unveil a 1,500-pound granite bench engraved with secular-themed quotations from Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and its founder, Madalyn Murray O’Hair, among others, in front of the Bradford County Courthouse in Starke, Fla.

The New-Jersey-based group, which has a membership of about 4,000 atheists, humanists, and other non-believers, won the right to erect the monument in a settlement reached in March over a six-ton granite display of the Ten Commandments on the same property.

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Guidelines for privately funded, public monuments on the Bradford County Courthouse lawn require that the monuments commemorate “people, events, and ideas which played a significant role in the development, origins or foundations of United States of America or Florida law, or Bradford County.� Both the Ten Commandments and the atheist monument meet those requirements, Sexton [Will Sexton, an attorney for Bradford County] said.

The atheist monument — which looks like a backwards, lower-case letter “h� — is engraved with the words of several Founding Fathers, as well as a quotation from the Treaty of Tripoli, signed by President John Adams in 1797. It reads, “The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.�

American Atheists president David Silverman will attend the June 29 unveiling. The monument, he said, is his group’s attempt to assert its equality.

“This is not an attack on religion, but rather religion’s monopoly,� he said. “The words on our monument do not deride or mock, but rather they clarify and correct assertions that Christianity has some kind of special place in America over other religious positions. It does not.�
Is this an attack on religion?
Does anyone have an objection to the appropriateness any of the specific quotes:
  • “The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.â€� -- John Adams
  • “An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church. An atheist believes that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death. He wants disease conquered, poverty banished, war eliminated.â€� – Madalyn Murray O’Hair
  • “Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.â€� - Thomas Jefferson
  • “It will never be pretended that any person employed in that service [writing the Constitution], had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the inspiration of Heaven.â€� - John Adams
  • “Where a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, ‘tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.â€� - Benjamin Franklin
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WinePusher wrote:
WinePusher wrote:The fact is you violated the rules.
JoeyKnothead wrote:As did you by responding to my post, which you swear is in some violation of the rules.
You obviously have never read the rules. You're clearly upset that the moderators did not intervene and condemn my language, and you posted a public response to otseng's post. That is against the rules. The rules state that this needs to be done over PM. At the same time you derailed a debate thread with your complaining. The fact is that you do nothing to better the standard of debate on this site, you only diminish it.

Please do not engage in informal moderation or speak for the moderators.
WinePusher wrote: I don't know why you have such a hard time with reading comprehension. Do you even have a college degree, or even a high schol diploma? Or let me guess, you dropped out in the middle of elementary school?

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Hah, now you're just being malicious. By the way, 'moronity' is not a word. How ironic, but you're probably not smart enough to know what irony is huh?






We both know that I am more knowledgable than you can ever hope to be, and the sad thing is that I'm only 24 years old and you're 97 years old.


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You have no shame, or knowledge, whatsoever. Your mother (if she is still alive, if not I'm sorry for your loss) must be ashamed she gave birth to a child who ended up becoming a failure in life and who spends his adult days trolling over the internet instead of doing something productive.




These comments are either personal, uncivil, or both. They are well out of bounds of the rules.



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JoeyKnothead wrote:
It is my position my argument ties into the OP, if only folks'd find it in their heart to ask my why I think it does. Instead, we get all manner of how I've violated the rules, as you respond to a post you declare "off topic".

Stupid and moronic.

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WinePusher wrote: These are just blanketed statements. Explain yourself for once, explain why you thought my initial statement was wrong.
It was "stupid and moronic".

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Yet another stupid, moronic statement, borne of a lack of understanding that I consider my posts thusfar to be quite on point.
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Referring even to posts and not members repeatedly as "stupid and moronic" is not civil. That someone else did it without receiving a warning is not really no excuse.

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Considering the fact that I ain't allowed to use the exact same language the theist is allowed to use, regarding the statements I seek to carry on about, without I get me a getting onto, I must withdraw from the thread.

I retract nothing.

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