Can God ever really Murder someone?

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Should God be allowed to remove life he created whenever he wishes?

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Can God ever really Murder someone?

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This stemmed from many discussions but most recently this one. . .

Achilles wrote:
Sometimes you need to fight and yes kill for something much bigger than yourself. Yes killing is still evil and we can wish forever for a better way. But lets face it. People are stupid, stubborn and violent. Sometimes being violent is the best way to resolve a bigger problem.


Cogitoergosum wrote:
true sometimes violence is warranted and u might fight for a cause, but if a cause makes u kill innocent people on purpose then that cause is not worth fighting for. There is a difference between intentionally targeting innocent people and collateral damage in a war where we don't have the smartest weapon to kill only combatants.


My question is this. Would the act of God removing life from the earth be evil?

Here's my thoughts on the matter. Since this whole discussion hinges on the assumption of God we are not going to debate his existence here.


1) Since God exists, he is the author and creator of all life. He quite literally formed life from nothing.

2) When life ends, it doesn't really end. It simply transitions into the afterlife.

Now, my view is that since God created all life, he should be entitled to removing it from earth whenever he wishes. The last time I discussed this with a non-theist, their reply was something like . . .

"So since my Girlfriend and I created my Son, I should be able to kill him?"

This reply was actually not really applicable. I explained to him that he and his girl didn't actually "create" his son. They came together and mixed DNA which was already part of their bodies and that in turn began the process of developing a child. However, this is not the same thing as taking absolutely nothing, and creating life from it. These are two different levels.

So humans, since they can not replace, create or recreate life on earth, nor can they reverse the decision to take life if they choose to, they should not be allowed to take life.

God on the other hand was the author of all life and since it was his creation, his own picture or house or whatever, he should be able to do what he wants with it.

An analogy would be should a person be allowed to destroy their own home that they built for themselves? Should a person be allowed to destroy their home and start over if the home isn't functioning correctly; if it isn't fulfilling the role of a house?

Ok now that I have opened up a huge theological can of worms (or vipers we shall see which), go for it. What do you all think?
It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice.

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After reading the rest of the thread I went back to the OP and noticed it didn’t mention “murder” it mentioned taking life away.
Doesn’t that happen anyway?
We all die.
In the garden myth the gods decide that mankind has become like them and they withhold the tree of life.
Death like everything that lives takes its course.
It may be that the gods needed the tree too.
Then our way was blocked so that the gods didn’t have any competition.
Of course in the older myth one god tell the human or earthling not to tae the fruit if it is offered because eat will kill him. So when the other god offers it to him so he can live forever he refuses and of course dies.
Pretty funny guys the gods.

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Metatron wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:
Metatron wrote:
FiredUp4jesus wrote:

Vengeance is mine sayest the Lord. The difference is that God is always perfectly justified because there is no other who is like Him nor above Him no one else who can possibly see or determine a better way of doing things. Anyone who does (humanists) are only fooling themselves.
So being God gives him carte blanche to perform any evil, despicable act he feels like?
Why would killing be "evil" for God?

This is something which has not been explained yet. I gave a few good reasons why there is a difference between human ending human and God ending human.

Since the standards of existence are so totally different, why should God be constrained by the exact same standards of ethics as us?
Being human, I can only judge concepts like good and evil in terms that a human can comprehend. That good and evil should be defined differently for God makes no sense at all to me. I can only judge events by my own moral philosophy.

I don't believe that just because God allegedly created us that this gives him moral carte blanche to do whatever he wishes to us. You've mentioned the distinctions that you make between God's creation of man and parent's "creation" of a child. While there may be physical distinctions between the two, I see no moral distinction at all. My wife and I made the decision to bring two children into the world knowing that we were making a lifetime commitment to love them, raise them to the best of our ability, see to their education, and assist them as they make their way into the world. I see God's moral commitment to his creations in a similar light. Just as I believe that it would be morally wrong for me to harm, torture, or kill my children, I believe that is wrong for God to do these things to his creations. This is especially true in my mind of the utterly despicable concept of eternal damnation which is a level of evil beyond human capabilities.
I can't help but agree.
"And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him." Gen. 5:24
Who has the hebrew ? Was it YHWH or the Elohim?

Enoch walked with the gods and was no more for the gods took him.

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