How many "spirits" is God?

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How many "spirits" is God?

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The doctrine of the Trinity states that God is three "persons".

My question is, how many "spirits" is God?

I believe that God is "a" spirit, meaning that God is "one" spirit.

What do you believe?

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Bible_Student wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 6:03 pm John 16:13-15 absolutely does not say that Jehovah "takes" things from Jesus.The context is speaking of the holy spirit, which comes from the Father and bestows gifts from the Father.

Jesus says that even though the holy spirit "takes" and gives things that belong to the Father, those things can be considered his, because the Father has made them available to him as well.

The Father needs absolutely no permission or authorization from anyone to take something that exists by his own will. Instead, Jesus receives authority from his Father.

In fact, the primary source of the holy spirit is not Jesus, but his Father, who gives it to Jesus, who in turn uses it in the interests of his own Father.
Yes, verse 13 and 14 mentioned the Spirit.
In verse 15, do Jesus was wrong saying that "all the Father has is mine"?

Jhn 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Jhn 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

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Re: How many "spirits" is God?

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:52 pm
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 7:33 pm
vesselofmercy wrote: Fri May 30, 2014 1:57 pm The doctrine of the Trinity states that God is three "persons".

My question is, how many "spirits" is God?

I believe that God is "a" spirit, meaning that God is "one" spirit.

What do you believe?
The doctrine of the Trinity is not a Biblical teaching. The Bible teaches that God is one, and his name is Jehovah (see Psalm 83:18 in the King James Bible). Jesus called his Father the only true God (John 17:3). So there is one Person that is God. Jesus is God's Son, not God. Jesus never claimed to be God. He always said that he was God's Son. (John 10:36)

God IS a Spirit, and one Spirit, as you said. (John 4:24) You notice there that it doesn't say that God is three spirits. "He is A Spirit"---one.
Can any man claim what the Father has is mine?
Bible lexicon defined "has" in Greek "echo" as to have, to hold, own, posses, to be in such condition etc.
Even if you interpret Rev 1:8 as of the Father, though Jesus said you had never heard His voice ever anytime. (John 5:37)
Jesus is Almighty, as all that the Father has is of Jesus. (Rev 22:13)

Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you. (ESV)

ἔχω echō
Thayer Definition:
1) to have, i.e. to hold
1a) to have (hold) in the hand, in the sense of wearing, to have (hold) possession of the mind (refers to alarm, agitating emotions, etc.), to hold fast keep, to have or comprise or involve, to regard or consider or hold as
2) to have, i.e. own, possess
2a) external things such as pertain to property or riches or furniture or utensils or goods or food etc.
2b) used of those joined to any one by the bonds of natural blood or marriage or friendship or duty or law etc, of attendance or companionship
3) to hold one’s self or find one’s self so and so, to be in such or such a condition
4) to hold one’s self to a thing, to lay hold of a thing, to adhere or cling to
4a) to be closely joined to a person or a thing
I notice that your "4a" definition of "have" is to be closely joined to a person or a thing. So if Jesus has all that the Father has, it could be said that he is closely joined to the Father. He is not the Father or equal to the Father.
If all that you son has are 10 marbles, and those were yours, is the 10 become 11?, not the same and not equal in all aspects?
Or the same 10 and equal in numbers , shape etc?

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Maybe this biblical passage can help you:

Psalm 2:2 The kings of the earth take their stand
And high officials gather together as one
Against Jehovah and against his anointed one.
 3 They say: “Let us tear off their shackles
And throw off their ropes!”
 4 The One enthroned in the heavens will laugh;
Jehovah will scoff at them.
 5 At that time he will speak to them in his anger
And terrify them in his burning anger,
 6 Saying: “I myself have installed my king
On Zion, my holy mountain.”
 7 Let me proclaim the decree of Jehovah;
He said to me:
You are my son;
Today I have become your father.
 8 Ask of me, and I will give nations as your inheritance
And the ends of the earth as your possession
."

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Bible_Student wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:11 pm Maybe this biblical passage can help you:

Psalm 2:2 The kings of the earth take their stand
And high officials gather together as one
Against Jehovah and against his anointed one.
 3 They say: “Let us tear off their shackles
And throw off their ropes!”
 4 The One enthroned in the heavens will laugh;
Jehovah will scoff at them.
 5 At that time he will speak to them in his anger
And terrify them in his burning anger,
 6 Saying: “I myself have installed my king
On Zion, my holy mountain.”
 7 Let me proclaim the decree of Jehovah;
He said to me:
You are my son;
Today I have become your father.
 8 Ask of me, and I will give nations as your inheritance
And the ends of the earth as your possession
."
So, is that your indirect answer that Jesus was wrong when He said, "all that the Father has is mine?" Yes or no?

Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

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You don't seem to understand very well what the passage above says about why Jesus can dispose of things that belong to his Father.

Does the expression "Ask of me, and I will give you an inheritance" really mean anything to you?

I'll try another scripture:

Hebrews 1:2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

I'm letting the Scripture speak for itself, so hopefully it'll help you.

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Bible_Student wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:22 pm You don't seem to understand very well what the passage above says about why Jesus can dispose of things that belong to his Father.

Does the expression "Ask of me, and I will give you an inheritance" really mean anything to you?

I'll try another scripture:

Hebrews 1:2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

I'm letting the Scripture speak for itself, so hopefully it'll help you.
Yes, I understand the verses you quote.
But I think you don't understand or you cannot answer my simple question.
Just yes or no, is Jesus wrong when He said, all the Father has is mine?
Don't quote another verse please.

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You may think you understand, but you just can't seem to internalize the idea. Perhaps these words from Jesus himself can help you:

John 3:35 The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand.

Now, you have the opportunity to hear from Jesus himself. It is my wish that you truly embrace his message. I hope you approach his words with sincerity and grasp their deeper meaning.

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Bible_Student wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:35 pm You may think you understand, but you just can't seem to internalize the idea. Perhaps these words from Jesus himself can help you:

John 3:35 The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand.

Now, you have the opportunity to hear from Jesus himself. It is my wish that you truly embrace his message. I hope you approach his words with sincerity and grasp their deeper meaning.
Yes, I know that.
Just help me with this, let me say that I am also confused with what Jesus said.
Was Jesus wrong when He said, "all that the Father has is mine.?

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Perhaps this Bible passage can help you a little more:

1 Cor. 15:27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.

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Capbook wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:17 pmWas Jesus wrong when He said, "all that the Father has is mine.?
You appear to overlook the fact that your question has already been addressed, and I even took the time to elaborate on my response beyond your inquiry.

I have not only recognized Jesus' statement that everything belonging to the Father is also his, but I also provided you with the biblical context that sheds light on this topic. Jehovah, Jesus' Father, designated him as heir, granted him authority over everything entrusted to him, and appointed him ruler over all creation.

Furthermore, I will delve into the reasons behind the Father's actions toward his Son, supported, of course, by two biblical passages:

Heb. 5:7 During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. 8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered. 9 And after he had been made perfect, he became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him, 10 because he has been designated by God a high priest in the manner of Melchizedek.

Phil. 2:8 ... when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake. 9 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

I am proud of being a worshiper of our heavenly Father, my God, Jehovah, and a follower of his wonderful Son, who is my Lord and my King, Jesus his Christ.

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