How many "spirits" is God?

[vesselofmercy]

The doctrine of the Trinity states that God is three "persons".

My question is, how many "spirits" is God?

I believe that God is "a" spirit, meaning that God is "one" spirit.

What do you believe?

[nothead]

[Replying to post 9 by McCulloch]

As many as God sends. But for us, mainly one.

I am sorry for it seems in the other thread ye are not trin.

I goobered you were. Now I am goobered as to what you are. Maybe uncategorized as you signify thouself.

Thyself. Youself. The being of you, or whatever.

Here, let me be more specific. The ancient paradigm of SPIRIT was the ghost or vestige of Person or invisible presence with a referent behind or within...coming into your consciousness and ego, in a way which was both mysterious and communal, both to you and spirit and potentially from another and the same spirit...

...in the OT sense this was the SHEKINAH GLORY, first seen as radiant light in the mikvah tents of the nomads, over the Tent of Meeting, and then in the Holy of Holies in the Temple. To indwell a prophet or TABERNACLE in a prophet both in ecstacy and prophesy and for the purpose of showing YHWH Elohim's WILL on earth among His own, was the same Shekinah glory or presence of God.

Did this mean it was his OWN SPIRIT EN WHOLE?? No I think not necessarily. But to go beyond this would be for me to speculate.

And it is much more important to be able to EXPERIENCE the Shekinah Grace of God than to be able to analyze and describe it empirically Selah.

[vesselofmercy]

God is one Spirit, who is called “the Spirit of God�, “the Spirit of Christ�, “the Holy Ghost�, and “the Spirit of your Father�.

God is one Spirit…

John 4:24 — God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Romans 8:9 — But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

“The Spirit of God� is synonymous with “the Spirit of Christ�…

Romans 8:9 — But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

“The Spirit of God� is synonymous with “the Holy Ghost�…

1 Corinthians 12:3 — Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

“The Holy Ghost� is synonymous with “the Spirit of your Father�…

Mark 13:11 — But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 10:19-20 — But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

[nothead]

[Replying to vesselofmercy]

I think in general you are right, unless you want to be a stickler on absoluteness...

Heb 12

Furthermore we have had
fathers of our flesh which
corrected [us], and we gave
[them] reverence: shall we not
much rather be in subjection
unto the Father of spirits, and
live?

In my mind the spirit sent to John the Baptist was not exactly the same spirit sent to us.

[Swrrws]

[Replying to post 11 by vesselofmercy]

While on Earth Jesus spoke of the Father and the Comforter (Holy Ghost) to come. They are all seperate yet contained in God. We are told Jesus was raised up and exalted above all creation yet he also is God. The Holy Ghost will dwell within us and in Acts physically entered a room yet it is still the Spirit of God. Seperate yet contained. In the beginning we are told there was only God. Yet in John Jesus is described as being the Word and creating all things.This is the Trinity and it is a mystery. No one knows. In the next life this triple existence may be the most normal thing. It is certainly a mark of credibility and truth when a faith can say "this is how it happened and no we cant explain it".

[Elijah John]

[Replying to vesselofmercy in post #1]

"God is spirit, and those who worship him must do so in spirit and truth." Presumably referring to the Father so that's 1
The Holy Spirit is spirit as well, so that's 2
And finally, the risen Christ is presumably spirit as well, so that's 3.

Do three spirits equal 3 gods? Not sure how Trinitarians escape that conclusion. 3 Persons is one thing, but 3 Spirits???

The subject seems to highlight another big problem with Trinitarian theology that ancient Hebrews did not have to wrestle with. With the simplicity of pure monotheism, God is one. Period. One Person, one Spirit,

The Father alone is God. The Holy Spirit is the "Spirit OF God", not a separate person or spirit. And finally, the "Son" in the Hebrew Bible was not understood to be a Divine person, but instead that designation meant several things none of whom were considered to be a part of the Godhead. And the Messiah in Jewish theology was never understood to be "God incarnate", but rather a holy, heroic human King.

[Capbook]

[Replying to vesselofmercy in post #1]

"God is spirit, and those who worship him must do so in spirit and truth." Presumably referring to the Father so that's 1
The Holy Spirit is spirit as well, so that's 2
And finally, the risen Christ is presumably spirit as well, so that's 3.

Do three spirits equal 3 gods? Not sure how Trinitarians escape that conclusion. 3 Persons is one thing, but 3 Spirits???

The subject seems to highlight another big problem with Trinitarian theology that ancient Hebrews did not have to wrestle with. With the simplicity of pure monotheism, God is one. Period. One Person, one Spirit,

The Father alone is God. The Holy Spirit is the "Spirit OF God", not a separate person or spirit. And finally, the "Son" in the Hebrew Bible was not understood to be a Divine person, but instead that designation meant several things none of whom were considered to be a part of the Godhead. And the Messiah in Jewish theology was never understood to be "God incarnate", but rather a holy, heroic human King.

But why human king was called God, and his throne would be forever and ever.
Any mention where that throne would be now?

Psa 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre

[onewithhim]

The doctrine of the Trinity states that God is three "persons".

My question is, how many "spirits" is God?

I believe that God is "a" spirit, meaning that God is "one" spirit.

What do you believe?

The doctrine of the Trinity is not a Biblical teaching. The Bible teaches that God is one, and his name is Jehovah (see Psalm 83:18 in the King James Bible). Jesus called his Father the only true God (John 17:3). So there is one Person that is God. Jesus is God's Son, not God. Jesus never claimed to be God. He always said that he was God's Son. (John 10:36)

God IS a Spirit, and one Spirit, as you said. (John 4:24) You notice there that it doesn't say that God is three spirits. "He is A Spirit"---one.

[Capbook]

The doctrine of the Trinity states that God is three "persons".

My question is, how many "spirits" is God?

I believe that God is "a" spirit, meaning that God is "one" spirit.

What do you believe?

The doctrine of the Trinity is not a Biblical teaching. The Bible teaches that God is one, and his name is Jehovah (see Psalm 83:18 in the King James Bible). Jesus called his Father the only true God (John 17:3). So there is one Person that is God. Jesus is God's Son, not God. Jesus never claimed to be God. He always said that he was God's Son. (John 10:36)

God IS a Spirit, and one Spirit, as you said. (John 4:24) You notice there that it doesn't say that God is three spirits. "He is A Spirit"---one.

Can any man claim what the Father has is mine?
Bible lexicon defined "has" in Greek "echo" as to have, to hold, own, posses, to be in such condition etc.
Even if you interpret Rev 1:8 as of the Father, though Jesus said you had never heard His voice ever anytime. (John 5:37)
Jesus is Almighty, as all that the Father has is of Jesus. (Rev 22:13)

Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you. (ESV)

ἔχω echō
Thayer Definition:
1) to have, i.e. to hold
1a) to have (hold) in the hand, in the sense of wearing, to have (hold) possession of the mind (refers to alarm, agitating emotions, etc.), to hold fast keep, to have or comprise or involve, to regard or consider or hold as
2) to have, i.e. own, possess
2a) external things such as pertain to property or riches or furniture or utensils or goods or food etc.
2b) used of those joined to any one by the bonds of natural blood or marriage or friendship or duty or law etc, of attendance or companionship
3) to hold one’s self or find one’s self so and so, to be in such or such a condition
4) to hold one’s self to a thing, to lay hold of a thing, to adhere or cling to
4a) to be closely joined to a person or a thing

[onewithhim]

The doctrine of the Trinity states that God is three "persons".

My question is, how many "spirits" is God?

I believe that God is "a" spirit, meaning that God is "one" spirit.

What do you believe?

The doctrine of the Trinity is not a Biblical teaching. The Bible teaches that God is one, and his name is Jehovah (see Psalm 83:18 in the King James Bible). Jesus called his Father the only true God (John 17:3). So there is one Person that is God. Jesus is God's Son, not God. Jesus never claimed to be God. He always said that he was God's Son. (John 10:36)

God IS a Spirit, and one Spirit, as you said. (John 4:24) You notice there that it doesn't say that God is three spirits. "He is A Spirit"---one.

Can any man claim what the Father has is mine?
Bible lexicon defined "has" in Greek "echo" as to have, to hold, own, posses, to be in such condition etc.
Even if you interpret Rev 1:8 as of the Father, though Jesus said you had never heard His voice ever anytime. (John 5:37)
Jesus is Almighty, as all that the Father has is of Jesus. (Rev 22:13)

Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you. (ESV)

ἔχω echō
Thayer Definition:
1) to have, i.e. to hold
1a) to have (hold) in the hand, in the sense of wearing, to have (hold) possession of the mind (refers to alarm, agitating emotions, etc.), to hold fast keep, to have or comprise or involve, to regard or consider or hold as
2) to have, i.e. own, possess
2a) external things such as pertain to property or riches or furniture or utensils or goods or food etc.
2b) used of those joined to any one by the bonds of natural blood or marriage or friendship or duty or law etc, of attendance or companionship
3) to hold one’s self or find one’s self so and so, to be in such or such a condition
4) to hold one’s self to a thing, to lay hold of a thing, to adhere or cling to
4a) to be closely joined to a person or a thing

I notice that your "4a" definition of "have" is to be closely joined to a person or a thing. So if Jesus has all that the Father has, it could be said that he is closely joined to the Father. He is not the Father or equal to the Father.

[Bible_Student]

John 16:13-15 absolutely does not say that Jehovah "takes" things from Jesus.The context is speaking of the holy spirit, which comes from the Father and bestows gifts from the Father.

Jesus says that even though the holy spirit "takes" and gives things that belong to the Father, those things can be considered his, because the Father has made them available to him as well.

The Father needs absolutely no permission or authorization from anyone to take something that exists by his own will. Instead, Jesus receives authority from his Father.

In fact, the primary source of the holy spirit is not Jesus, but his Father, who gives it to Jesus, who in turn uses it in the interests of his own Father.