Hell

[Compassionist]

According to http://myth-one.com the mainstream Christianity is wrong about Hell. What do those who accept mainstream Christianity think?

[myth-one.com]

The fact is all who live die. I have yet to encounter a lifeform that escapes death. Being a Christian does not prevent death. In fact, I know plenty of Christians who desperately cling to this life through medications and invasive procedures. I would have thought they would be only too glad to be dead and with Jesus in the afterlife. My faith is simple. I have faith that by my faith all in the omniverse are saved. The omniverse consists of an infinite number of universes and many dimensions. We happen to exist in one such universe. I invented Compassionism which states that all who suffer are worthy of compassion. Because of my compassion, I am omnibenevolent (although I am not omniscient or omnipotent or omniculpable) and my all-inclusive heaven for all in the omniverse. This is not a new religion. No other believers are needed. As my faith has already saved all in the omniverse! Therfore, there is not question of my evangelising anyone to share my belief. My belief is complete by itself. All anyone has to do is die to find themselves in this omnibenevolent heaven. Given that all who live will die, all are thus guaranteed of heaven. See you there! You are saved by my faith and you don't even need to believe that you are saved by my faith or even thank me!

That's simple? Too many big "omni" words.

Now you appear to be Omnish.

While we're fantasizing, I will come out of the closet and admit that way down deep in my heart, I always wanted to be a Philanthropist -- but I lacked the money.

I do like your word "Compassionist" and plan to plagiarise it. And benevolent being inseparable from compassionate, it would be unconscionable to separate the two. So I would be a Benevolent Compassionist Philanthropist.

And OK, adding "omni" does appear to add credence, so I'll go with Omnibenevolent Omnicompassionist Philanthropist -- or simply an OOP for short.

Members of my congregation or flock would be known in the plural as OOPs, and we would preach, study, and collect untaxable money for the support and continuation of Oopism.

Those against us would be Anti-Opps -- or simply AOs.
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What did you think of Can With Candle?

There was a report yesterday about 21 dead babies found in a Chinese river.

Coincidentally, I also saw the most wonderfully designed billboard alongside the highway yesterday. It was a closeup of a toddler holding the thumb of a large adult hand. And the billboard simply read: TAKE MY HAND, NOT MY LIFE.

Wow! Anyway, I admire sites such as Can With Candle. And yet I can sympathize with both sides of the abortion issue, which takes many lives.

Our Worldwide OBJECTIVES:

1.The saving of lives.

Humans will continue to have "unwanted" offspring -- no matter what penalty is invoked. The only place we have which sustains life now is the earth and it could quickly degrade as a sustainer of life.

Where are we going to put, feed, and otherwise care for all these saved lives?

Mechanisms for population control include war, starvation, and disease. Do we want to go farther down that path?

It's above my head. (meaning above my intelligence -- not any religious connotations)

Single parents who choose to care for their children and toil for a living seven days a week with little or no help and encouragement are heroes in my eye -- and I say so in the article: America's Heroes

[Fisherking]

According to http://myth-one.com the mainstream Christianity is wrong about Hell. What do those who accept mainstream Christianity think?

Death in the bible never means unconsciousness, extinction, or annihilation. There is not one word in Greek or Hebrew that portrays it as such. Instead, death in the bible is portrayed as a separation. Without reading the whole article cited, I would tenatively say that there is probably a misconception as to what death means (in the bible), and possibly hell.

I am reminded of the Jehovah Witnesses(Russellites), who teach a similar doctrine.

[McCulloch]

Death in the bible never means unconsciousness, extinction, or annihilation. There is not one word in Greek or Hebrew that portrays it as such.

That's the problem with theology. Death does not mean death. Love does not mean love (it means obedience). Justice does not mean justice. ...

Instead, death in the bible is portrayed as a separation. Without reading the whole article cited, I would tentatively say that there is probably a misconception as to what death means (in the bible), and possibly hell.

I am reminded of the Jehovah Witnesses (Russellites), who teach a similar doctrine.

Who is to say that they are wrong on this point? Is this an ad hominem argument?

[myth-one.com]

Death in the bible never means unconsciousness, extinction, or annihilation. There is not one word in Greek or Hebrew that portrays it as such. Instead, death in the bible is portrayed as a separation. Without reading the whole article cited, I would tenatively say that there is probably a misconception as to what death means (in the bible), and possibly hell.

1) To become your Savior, Jesus had to pay the penalty for your sins.

2) The wages of sin is death.

3) Jesus died on the cross for your sins and He will never live as a human again.

4) Jesus is now in Heaven preparing our place, which He will bring back to the Earth where He will rule forever with born again Christians.

5) If death in the Bible means a separation (I assume you mean the eternal separation from God bit), then Jesus has not paid the penalty for your sins and you have no Savior -- because He is not separated from God.

[Fisherking]

Death in the bible never means unconsciousness, extinction, or annihilation. There is not one word in Greek or Hebrew that portrays it as such.

That's the problem with theology. Death does not mean death. Love does not mean love (it means obedience). Justice does not mean justice. ...

No, that's the problem with language.

Instead, death in the bible is portrayed as a separation. Without reading the whole article cited, I would tentatively say that there is probably a misconception as to what death means (in the bible), and possibly hell.

I am reminded of the Jehovah Witnesses (Russellites), who teach a similar doctrine.

Who is to say that they are wrong on this point?

I would be saying they were wrong on this point, giving my reasons for doing so above.

Is this an ad hominem argument?

Nope.

[Fisherking]

If death in the Bible means a separation (I assume you mean the eternal separation from God bit), then Jesus has not paid the penalty for your sins and you have no Savior -- because He is not separated from God.

We definately would have to take context into account when the word death is used in the bible. Some instances it clearly refers to a separation of the soul from the body(physical death), and in some cases it refers to the separation of a soul from God.
Death in the bible never means unconsciousness, extinction, or annihilation. There is not one word in Greek or Hebrew that portrays it as such. Instead, death in the bible is portrayed as a separation. With that in mind, the bible also teaches that Jesus is our Saviour and has paid the penalty for sin.

[McCulloch]

Death in the bible never means unconsciousness, extinction, or annihilation. There is not one word in Greek or Hebrew that portrays it as such.

Instead, death in the bible is portrayed as a separation. Without reading the whole article cited, I would tentatively say that there is probably a misconception as to what death means (in the bible), and possibly hell.

I am reminded of the Jehovah Witnesses (Russellites), who teach a similar doctrine.

I would be saying they were wrong on this point, giving my reasons for doing so above.

But you failed to give any reasons. All you have provided thus far is the naked assertion that the word death as used in the Bible has a completely different meaning than its common meaning or it meaning in biology. And either to support that argument or perhaps as an irrelevant aside, you mention that the hated JWs (nobody likes those pushy door-to-door types) also teach this doctrine. It certainly looks ad hominem to me.

[Fisherking]

Death in the bible never means unconsciousness, extinction, or annihilation. There is not one word in Greek or Hebrew that portrays it as such.

Instead, death in the bible is portrayed as a separation. Without reading the whole article cited, I would tentatively say that there is probably a misconception as to what death means (in the bible), and possibly hell.

I am reminded of the Jehovah Witnesses (Russellites), who teach a similar doctrine.

I would be saying they were wrong on this point, giving my reasons for doing so above.

But you failed to give any reasons. All you have provided thus far is the naked assertion that the word death as used in the Bible has a completely different meaning than its common meaning or it meaning in biology.

The reason is that it does have a different meaning. If you dispute this reason, please provide evidence from the bible of the Greek or Hebrew word that would support your position, whatever that may be.

And either to support that argument or perhaps as an irrelevant aside, you mention that the hated JWs (nobody likes those pushy door-to-door types) also teach this doctrine. It certainly looks ad hominem to me.

It was a side note, not an ad hominem. The JW's doctrine on death is biblically inaccurate and very similar to that which is being addressed. Projecting someone's own personal views ("hated JW's, nobody likes those....") into a statement of fact I have made does not make the statement an ad hominem.

[McCulloch]

The reason is that it [the word translated as death] does have a different meaning. If you dispute this reason, please provide evidence from the bible of the Greek or Hebrew word that would support your position, whatever that may be.

Holy shifting the burden Batman!

The translators of the Bible take on the job of rendering into English (or Latin, French, German ... ) from the original words in Greek or Hebrew. There are worlds that are consistently translated into the English word death by various translators and teams of translators. Their consensus on the accuracy of this translation is quite remarkable. If you feel that all of these teams of scholars are incorrect, then the burden is on you to show that they did not do their job correctly.

[myth-one.com]

Good morning Fisherking,

Some instances it clearly refers to a separation of the soul from the body(physical death), and in some cases it refers to the separation of a soul from God.

Apparently you believe all mankind to born with an immortal "soul." That being the case, it is impossible for you to also believe that the word "death" in the Bible actually means death.

So in the following instance, does "death" actually mean "eternal separation from God?" Which is a widely held belief.

For the wages of sin is death; ... (Romans 6:23)