Did God create the devil?

[4gold]

The Bible makes it clear that the earth, the universe, all matter, and all energy was created by God. Where I am unclear is to whether God created the devil.

Does anyone have any Bible verses that indicates whether God created the devil or not?

If He did create the devil, why not eliminate the opportunity for sin, by eliminating the devil?

If He did not, then who did and is that force more powerful than God?

[beloved57]

grea ask

Jesus would be displeased.
Would Jesus condemn people to Hell or would His love overcome. If God is a God of love as Christians are fond of quoting then what happened to the Love.

Jesus hates the wicked reprobated and tells them depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fire then on top of that He will witness their eternal torment..

rev 14


10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

you better hope you are an elect vessel of mercy, thats your only hope..to escape this dreadful punishment..

This sort of kills the idea that all of God's works are Perfect including souls.

Strange that god would need retribution to last forever.

Only an imperfect God would need a repository for His mistakes.

Who would want to follow a God whose justice includes that we sin for 120 yrs and then must be punished for 120000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 yrs.

Strange that in life Jesus would not let us stone even one hooker and in death would allow us to stone mentally forever, sinners in Hell.

Regards
DL

They been kilt then see ya the judgment..

[Cathar1950]

grea ask

Jesus would be displeased.
Would Jesus condemn people to Hell or would His love overcome. If God is a God of love as Christians are fond of quoting then what happened to the Love.

Jesus hates the wicked reprobated and tells them depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fire then on top of that He will witness their eternal torment..

rev 14


10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

you better hope you are an elect vessel of mercy, thats your only hope..to escape this dreadful punishment..

I can't help but think you are quoting the imagination of the author of revelations, not Jesus which leads me to think you "that you dont understand scripture at tall.." and are rather selective and self-serving.
Mostly it looks like your projecting.
Of course it is always the other guy.

[beloved57]

grea ask

Jesus would be displeased.
Would Jesus condemn people to Hell or would His love overcome. If God is a God of love as Christians are fond of quoting then what happened to the Love.

Jesus hates the wicked reprobated and tells them depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fire then on top of that He will witness their eternal torment..

rev 14


10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

you better hope you are an elect vessel of mercy, thats your only hope..to escape this dreadful punishment..

I can't help but think you are quoting the imagination of the author of revelations, not Jesus which leads me to think you "that you dont understand scripture at tall.." and are rather selective and self-serving.
Mostly it looks like your projecting.
Of course it is always the other guy.

you need to be born again..

[Cathar1950]

grea ask

Jesus would be displeased.
Would Jesus condemn people to Hell or would His love overcome. If God is a God of love as Christians are fond of quoting then what happened to the Love.

Jesus hates the wicked reprobated and tells them depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fire then on top of that He will witness their eternal torment..

rev 14


10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

you better hope you are an elect vessel of mercy, thats your only hope..to escape this dreadful punishment..

I can't help but think you are quoting the imagination of the author of revelations, not Jesus which leads me to think you "that you dont understand scripture at tall.." and are rather selective and self-serving.
Mostly it looks like your projecting.
Of course it is always the other guy.

you need to be born again..

I have done it and been there and then some.
What do you think you need?

[beloved57]

grea ask

Jesus would be displeased.
Would Jesus condemn people to Hell or would His love overcome. If God is a God of love as Christians are fond of quoting then what happened to the Love.

Jesus hates the wicked reprobated and tells them depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fire then on top of that He will witness their eternal torment..

rev 14


10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

you better hope you are an elect vessel of mercy, thats your only hope..to escape this dreadful punishment..

I can't help but think you are quoting the imagination of the author of revelations, not Jesus which leads me to think you "that you dont understand scripture at tall.." and are rather selective and self-serving.
Mostly it looks like your projecting.
Of course it is always the other guy.

you need to be born again..

I have done it and been there and then some.
What do you think you need?

Its what you need you need to be born again..

[Beto]

grea ask

Jesus would be displeased.
Would Jesus condemn people to Hell or would His love overcome. If God is a God of love as Christians are fond of quoting then what happened to the Love.

Jesus hates the wicked reprobated and tells them depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fire then on top of that He will witness their eternal torment..

rev 14


10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

you better hope you are an elect vessel of mercy, thats your only hope..to escape this dreadful punishment..

I can't help but think you are quoting the imagination of the author of revelations, not Jesus which leads me to think you "that you dont understand scripture at tall.." and are rather selective and self-serving.
Mostly it looks like your projecting.
Of course it is always the other guy.

you need to be born again..

I have done it and been there and then some.
What do you think you need?

Its what you need you need to be born again..

The only people who could use being born again are those that don't use the brains they were born with.

[Cathar1950]

grea ask

Jesus would be displeased.
Would Jesus condemn people to Hell or would His love overcome. If God is a God of love as Christians are fond of quoting then what happened to the Love.

Jesus hates the wicked reprobated and tells them depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fire then on top of that He will witness their eternal torment..

rev 14


10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

you better hope you are an elect vessel of mercy, thats your only hope..to escape this dreadful punishment..

I can't help but think you are quoting the imagination of the author of revelations, not Jesus which leads me to think you "that you dont understand scripture at tall.." and are rather selective and self-serving.
Mostly it looks like your projecting.
Of course it is always the other guy.

you need to be born again..

I have done it and been there and then some.
What do you think you need?

Its what you need you need to be born again..

You presume to much and don't say much of anything.
If all you can do is try and paraphrase some ambitious writings from some unknown writer about what you think you know then don't bother as I don't give out preaching merit badges so you can feel like you are doing the lord's work and feel good about yourself.
You seem to lack depth, maturity and understanding while foisting on us your rather self-serving bible-believing buzz words. If you like for a small fee I can give you bible study lessons.
Maybe Jesus was the Gnostic some thought he was.

[Cathar1950]

grea ask

Jesus would be displeased.
Would Jesus condemn people to Hell or would His love overcome. If God is a God of love as Christians are fond of quoting then what happened to the Love.

Jesus hates the wicked reprobated and tells them depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fire then on top of that He will witness their eternal torment..

rev 14


10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

you better hope you are an elect vessel of mercy, thats your only hope..to escape this dreadful punishment..

I can't help but think you are quoting the imagination of the author of revelations, not Jesus which leads me to think you "that you dont understand scripture at tall.." and are rather selective and self-serving.
Mostly it looks like your projecting.
Of course it is always the other guy.

you need to be born again..

I have done it and been there and then some.
What do you think you need?

Its what you need you need to be born again..

I should apologize for being short, arrogant dismissive and maybe I will.
Maybe it was the one-liners that were clearly inside buzz phrases used by some Christians for conversion and apologetic reasons as well as social bonding to there identified group. Often their their inability to explain or express beyond their cultist usage to others while they dismiss other's doubts and questions as coming from some inability to discern “spiritual”(windy) things or being baptized even when there are differing interpretations even with in Christian circles that can not be dismissed in such a shallow fashion. The early “Johnathan” communities that made the addition of “water” in 3:3 would have seen baptism, and spirit rebirth as the same thing as did their predecessors. “Spirit” is ambiguously used much as “Wind” used in the passage. Its ambiguity can offer depth and growth while its literalness offers misunderstanding and sometimes the excuse that others can't see because they are blind where immaturity may be ore in order for both.

I apologize for taking us off track and would like to get back to the OP as some of these topics are being discussed elsewhere and if not then maybe it is a worthy subject for discussion or debate provided we could come to some understanding concerning the “wind” we chose to debate.

[ken1burton]

Beloved57.

After seeing that LOL about hell, why would I think you know God anyway?

You posted Revelation 14:10/11 but neglected to post verse 12 which shows who those people are, Must have been a slight oversight? So I will post all three verses.

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

OH? These are the Saints, These are in the Fire and Brimstone who keep the Commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus.

You want to HOP into the FIRE? God’s word is like as a Fire in Jeremiah 23:29. His breath is as a Stream of Brimstone:

Isaiah 30:33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.

This is for Jesus the day of the Cross, So He is there with the Holy Angels, as all the prophecies are fulfilled.

It might seem a bit strange to you to be a believer and be tormented day and night, It is called, Caring for others. REAL concern for them. Jesus was not called “Man of Sorrows” for nothing.

Those wicked reprobates as you call them told to depart are Matthew, John, James, etc which fled from the Mount of Olives as Jesus was taken, Their response shows who they are, The Fact it was a prophecy, and all prophecies are for the day of the Cross ensure that is who it is. Knowing the day is seen as 3 pictures, 1=Iniquity, 2=Mischief, 3=Falsehood also confirms they are the ones seen as the Workers of Iniquity. Or the first picture as 4 6-hour periods.

And the Reason is because Jesus is reaching for Non-Jews, Something they do not like, In Fact, they got themselves Multiplied for hating Jesus WRONGFULLY.

Psalms 38:19 But mine enemies are lively, and they are strong: and they that hate me wrongfully are multiplied.

All the prophecies include the 23rd Psalms, Remember the Table which was prepared for Jesus? IN THE PRESENCE OF MY ENEMIES?

Psalms 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

The RIGHT HAND is Sunset to Midnight, the 10 Disciples got themselves multiplied by 1,000 in Deuteronomy 1:11 because they hate Jesus wrongfully. The Parable of building bigger barns, Jesus is reaching for non-Jews as well. Whoredom under Jewish Law.

10 Horns who hate the Whore. Want all their names? They eat her flesh, (Take, eat, this is my Body). Burn Her with Fire. God’s word like as a fire.

Peter is the 1,000 who falls by His side.

Judas seen in Psalms 55 as not hating Jesus, so He is not seen multiplied or fallen here.

Deuteronomy 1:11 (The LORD God of your fathers make you a thousand times so many more as ye are , and bless you, as he hath promised you!)

Jesus blesses those who hate Him.

Because God doubles twice to establish His words, They are doubled, seen in Daniel.

Daniel 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

The Little Horn is Peter, it was Peter, James and John, three, now just One. Daniel is watching the lamb of God, or beast at Golgotha. Given to God’s word like as a fire.

It is given into Peter’s hand (Church age) for time, times and the Dividing of time, or till 2029 A.D. when Israel will see Jesus is the Christ, see Jesus is the Serpent in Truth, and will bring the knowledge of Jesus and God to most of mankind which will believe them.

Israel is the Woman in Revelation chapter 12 kept from the Face of the Serpent (Jesus) for time, times and a half a time, or till 2029 A.D.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Ken

[beloved57]

Beloved57.

After seeing that LOL about hell, why would I think you know God anyway?

You posted Revelation 14:10/11 but neglected to post verse 12 which shows who those people are, Must have been a slight oversight? So I will post all three verses.

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

OH? These are the Saints, These are in the Fire and Brimstone who keep the Commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus.

You want to HOP into the FIRE? God’s word is like as a Fire in Jeremiah 23:29. His breath is as a Stream of Brimstone:

Isaiah 30:33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.

This is for Jesus the day of the Cross, So He is there with the Holy Angels, as all the prophecies are fulfilled.

It might seem a bit strange to you to be a believer and be tormented day and night, It is called, Caring for others. REAL concern for them. Jesus was not called “Man of Sorrows” for nothing.

Those wicked reprobates as you call them told to depart are Matthew, John, James, etc which fled from the Mount of Olives as Jesus was taken, Their response shows who they are, The Fact it was a prophecy, and all prophecies are for the day of the Cross ensure that is who it is. Knowing the day is seen as 3 pictures, 1=Iniquity, 2=Mischief, 3=Falsehood also confirms they are the ones seen as the Workers of Iniquity. Or the first picture as 4 6-hour periods.

And the Reason is because Jesus is reaching for Non-Jews, Something they do not like, In Fact, they got themselves Multiplied for hating Jesus WRONGFULLY.

Psalms 38:19 But mine enemies are lively, and they are strong: and they that hate me wrongfully are multiplied.

All the prophecies include the 23rd Psalms, Remember the Table which was prepared for Jesus? IN THE PRESENCE OF MY ENEMIES?

Psalms 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

The RIGHT HAND is Sunset to Midnight, the 10 Disciples got themselves multiplied by 1,000 in Deuteronomy 1:11 because they hate Jesus wrongfully. The Parable of building bigger barns, Jesus is reaching for non-Jews as well. Whoredom under Jewish Law.

10 Horns who hate the Whore. Want all their names? They eat her flesh, (Take, eat, this is my Body). Burn Her with Fire. God’s word like as a fire.

Peter is the 1,000 who falls by His side.

Judas seen in Psalms 55 as not hating Jesus, so He is not seen multiplied or fallen here.

Deuteronomy 1:11 (The LORD God of your fathers make you a thousand times so many more as ye are , and bless you, as he hath promised you!)

Jesus blesses those who hate Him.

Because God doubles twice to establish His words, They are doubled, seen in Daniel.

Daniel 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

The Little Horn is Peter, it was Peter, James and John, three, now just One. Daniel is watching the lamb of God, or beast at Golgotha. Given to God’s word like as a fire.

It is given into Peter’s hand (Church age) for time, times and the Dividing of time, or till 2029 A.D. when Israel will see Jesus is the Christ, see Jesus is the Serpent in Truth, and will bring the knowledge of Jesus and God to most of mankind which will believe them.

Israel is the Woman in Revelation chapter 12 kept from the Face of the Serpent (Jesus) for time, times and a half a time, or till 2029 A.D.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Ken

1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

even God Himself laughs at filthy blasphemers..