The Gospel Preached By Jesus

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When Jesus began His ministry he quoted from the Book of Isaiah: 
Luke 4 
16And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. 17And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written, 
18“THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, 
BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR. 
HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, 
AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, 
TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED, 
19TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.� 
20And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.�

Jesus clearly stated His purpose. The purpose for which He was anointed. The purpose for which He is the Christ (Christ means "anointed one" for those who are unaware): 
1) To preach His gospel - These are the words He spoke while preaching His gospel during His ministry. 
2) To give sight to the blind - To open the eyes of those blind to the will of God which is contained in His gospel. 
3) To set free the captives - To FREE those who abide in His word from the slavery of committing sin. To FREE those who abide in His gospel (See John 8). 

That's it in a nutshell. During His ministry, Jesus did exactly what He said He was going to do. This is the gospel preached by Jesus. 

There is no "total depravity of man" in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. 
There is no "vicarious atonement for the forgiveness of sins" in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. 
There is no "if you believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Christ you will receive eternal life and live in the Kingdom" in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. 
There is no "imputed righteousness" in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.

Christianity has a different gospel based on the theology of Paul and others as its foundation.
Shouldn't Christianity have the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry as its foundation?

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to brianbbs67]

We can eat all things. We just shouldn't if we follow God or Jesus.
No idea what point you're trying to make here. It's akin to saying, "We can murder others. We just shouldn't if we follow God or Jesus.

A point made about what we say, should not apply to what we eat.
1) Actually if you read it in context, the primary point Jesus was making is about what we eat.
2) Actually the secondary point is about BOTH deeds and words.

It seems clear that what we say(what come out of us) defiles us more than what we eat.
The primary point was that NOTHING we eat defiles us.
As I pointed out earlier, Jesus not only makes that point, but repeats it as a point of emphasis. Not only that, Jesus explains exactly "WHY" it CANNOT defile us.

Mark 7
14After He called the crowd to Him again, He began saying to them, “Listen to Me, all of you, and understand: 15there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. 16[“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.�]
17When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. 18And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?�

1. The phrase, "thus purifying all foods?" was added later by copyists. Jesus was a Torah observant Hebrew. If he actually was preaching against the law, he would have been stoned a lot sooner. He condemned Judah for their tradtions which nullified the word of God.

2. Your response proves my point. Breaking the law whether by eating unclean or murdering is the same. Breaking God's law is Sin. That is very definition of sin. Should we sin so that grace abound?

3. Mark 7 was about the ritual hand washing, nothing else. If christ would have upheld sin, eating unclean, he would not be the messiah and would save no one as the messiah had to be sinless. Unless , you consider God's rules sin or evil. If Jesus broke the law or taught other to do so, he breaks the law and is therefore sinful, no longer a sinless sacrifice.

[WeSee]

[Replying to brianbbs67]

We can eat all things. We just shouldn't if we follow God or Jesus.
No idea what point you're trying to make here. It's akin to saying, "We can murder others. We just shouldn't if we follow God or Jesus.

A point made about what we say, should not apply to what we eat.
1) Actually if you read it in context, the primary point Jesus was making is about what we eat.
2) Actually the secondary point is about BOTH deeds and words.

It seems clear that what we say(what come out of us) defiles us more than what we eat.
The primary point was that NOTHING we eat defiles us.
As I pointed out earlier, Jesus not only makes that point, but repeats it as a point of emphasis. Not only that, Jesus explains exactly "WHY" it CANNOT defile us.

Mark 7
14After He called the crowd to Him again, He began saying to them, “Listen to Me, all of you, and understand: 15there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. 16[“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.�]
17When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. 18And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?�

1. The phrase, "thus purifying all foods?" was added later by copyists. Jesus was a Torah observant Hebrew. If he actually was preaching against the law, he would have been stoned a lot sooner. He condemned Judah for their tradtions which nullified the word of God.

2. Your response proves my point. Breaking the law whether by eating unclean or murdering is the same. Breaking God's law is Sin. That is very definition of sin. Should we sin so that grace abound?

3. Mark 7 was about the ritual hand washing, nothing else. If christ would have upheld sin, eating unclean, he would not be the messiah and would save no one as the messiah had to be sinless. Unless , you consider God's rules sin or evil. If Jesus broke the law or taught other to do so, he breaks the law and is therefore sinful, no longer a sinless sacrifice.

How about addressing what I wrote and what Jesus said in the following?:

The primary point was that NOTHING we eat defiles us.
As I pointed out earlier, Jesus not only makes that point, but repeats it as a point of emphasis. Not only that, Jesus explains exactly "WHY" it CANNOT defile us.

Mark 7
14After He called the crowd to Him again, He began saying to them, “Listen to Me, all of you, and understand: 15there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. 16[“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.�]
17When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. 18And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?�

Note that the points were NOT about ""thus purifying all foods". The points were about the words spoken by Jesus highlighted in BOLD.

If christ would have upheld sin, eating unclean, he would not be the messiah and would save no one as the messiah had to be sinless. Unless , you consider God's rules sin or evil. If Jesus broke the law or taught other to do so, he breaks the law and is therefore sinful, no longer a sinless sacrifice.
You seem to have lost track of the issue we were discussing:

Jesus defined a new Law and the Prophets with the following:
Matthew 22
37And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38“This is the great and foremost commandment. 39“The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ 40“On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.�
Matthew 7
12“In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Jesus delivered the New Covenant in the gospel the He preached during His ministry and defined a new foundation for the Law and the Prophets as above. It isn't about "following His example". It's about "abiding in His word" and becoming one with God as He was one with God.

It's really simple: New Covenant = new agreement = new Law and the Prophets.

According to Jesus, the foundation for the new Law and the Prophets is as stated in the quoted verses above.

Your response proves my point. Breaking the law whether by eating unclean or murdering is the same. Breaking God's law is Sin. That is very definition of sin. Should we sin so that grace abound?

With the New Covenent, Jesus redefined what is and is not "God's law" and therefore "sin".

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to brianbbs67]

We can eat all things. We just shouldn't if we follow God or Jesus.
No idea what point you're trying to make here. It's akin to saying, "We can murder others. We just shouldn't if we follow God or Jesus.

A point made about what we say, should not apply to what we eat.
1) Actually if you read it in context, the primary point Jesus was making is about what we eat.
2) Actually the secondary point is about BOTH deeds and words.

It seems clear that what we say(what come out of us) defiles us more than what we eat.
The primary point was that NOTHING we eat defiles us.
As I pointed out earlier, Jesus not only makes that point, but repeats it as a point of emphasis. Not only that, Jesus explains exactly "WHY" it CANNOT defile us.

Mark 7
14After He called the crowd to Him again, He began saying to them, “Listen to Me, all of you, and understand: 15there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. 16[“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.�]
17When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. 18And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?�

1. The phrase, "thus purifying all foods?" was added later by copyists. Jesus was a Torah observant Hebrew. If he actually was preaching against the law, he would have been stoned a lot sooner. He condemned Judah for their tradtions which nullified the word of God.

2. Your response proves my point. Breaking the law whether by eating unclean or murdering is the same. Breaking God's law is Sin. That is very definition of sin. Should we sin so that grace abound?

3. Mark 7 was about the ritual hand washing, nothing else. If christ would have upheld sin, eating unclean, he would not be the messiah and would save no one as the messiah had to be sinless. Unless , you consider God's rules sin or evil. If Jesus broke the law or taught other to do so, he breaks the law and is therefore sinful, no longer a sinless sacrifice.

How about addressing what I wrote and what Jesus said in the following?:

The primary point was that NOTHING we eat defiles us.
As I pointed out earlier, Jesus not only makes that point, but repeats it as a point of emphasis. Not only that, Jesus explains exactly "WHY" it CANNOT defile us.

Mark 7
14After He called the crowd to Him again, He began saying to them, “Listen to Me, all of you, and understand: 15there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. 16[“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.�]
17When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. 18And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?�

Note that the points were NOT about ""thus purifying all foods". The points were about the words spoken by Jesus highlighted in BOLD.

If christ would have upheld sin, eating unclean, he would not be the messiah and would save no one as the messiah had to be sinless. Unless , you consider God's rules sin or evil. If Jesus broke the law or taught other to do so, he breaks the law and is therefore sinful, no longer a sinless sacrifice.
You seem to have lost track of the issue we were discussing:

Jesus defined a new Law and the Prophets with the following:
Matthew 22
37And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38“This is the great and foremost commandment. 39“The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ 40“On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.�
Matthew 7
12“In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Jesus delivered the New Covenant in the gospel the He preached during His ministry and defined a new foundation for the Law and the Prophets as above. It isn't about "following His example". It's about "abiding in His word" and becoming one with God as He was one with God.

It's really simple: New Covenant = new agreement = new Law and the Prophets.

According to Jesus, the foundation for the new Law and the Prophets is as stated in the quoted verses above.

Your response proves my point. Breaking the law whether by eating unclean or murdering is the same. Breaking God's law is Sin. That is very definition of sin. Should we sin so that grace abound?

With the New Covenent, Jesus redefined what is and is not "God's law" and therefore "sin".

Nope. I would point out again , we can eat all things. We just shouldn't if we follow God.

Jesus never changed God's law. He could not. He was the law. The word made flesh. In his own words, he stated he could only do as God instructed.

So, if christ instructs differenatily than God, he is a false prophet. Every one talks about this new covenant and none can define it. Jesus NEVER claimed to bring new law from God. He did summarize it as many Hebrews did, This does not negate God's law. Never will you find Jesus negating God. Isn't that interesting?

[WeSee]

[Replying to brianbbs67]

We can eat all things. We just shouldn't if we follow God or Jesus.
No idea what point you're trying to make here. It's akin to saying, "We can murder others. We just shouldn't if we follow God or Jesus.

A point made about what we say, should not apply to what we eat.
1) Actually if you read it in context, the primary point Jesus was making is about what we eat.
2) Actually the secondary point is about BOTH deeds and words.

It seems clear that what we say(what come out of us) defiles us more than what we eat.
The primary point was that NOTHING we eat defiles us.
As I pointed out earlier, Jesus not only makes that point, but repeats it as a point of emphasis. Not only that, Jesus explains exactly "WHY" it CANNOT defile us.

Mark 7
14After He called the crowd to Him again, He began saying to them, “Listen to Me, all of you, and understand: 15there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. 16[“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.�]
17When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. 18And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?�

1. The phrase, "thus purifying all foods?" was added later by copyists. Jesus was a Torah observant Hebrew. If he actually was preaching against the law, he would have been stoned a lot sooner. He condemned Judah for their tradtions which nullified the word of God.

2. Your response proves my point. Breaking the law whether by eating unclean or murdering is the same. Breaking God's law is Sin. That is very definition of sin. Should we sin so that grace abound?

3. Mark 7 was about the ritual hand washing, nothing else. If christ would have upheld sin, eating unclean, he would not be the messiah and would save no one as the messiah had to be sinless. Unless , you consider God's rules sin or evil. If Jesus broke the law or taught other to do so, he breaks the law and is therefore sinful, no longer a sinless sacrifice.

How about addressing what I wrote and what Jesus said in the following?:

The primary point was that NOTHING we eat defiles us.
As I pointed out earlier, Jesus not only makes that point, but repeats it as a point of emphasis. Not only that, Jesus explains exactly "WHY" it CANNOT defile us.

Mark 7
14After He called the crowd to Him again, He began saying to them, “Listen to Me, all of you, and understand: 15there is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. 16[“If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.�]
17When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. 18And He said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?�

Note that the points were NOT about ""thus purifying all foods". The points were about the words spoken by Jesus highlighted in BOLD.

If christ would have upheld sin, eating unclean, he would not be the messiah and would save no one as the messiah had to be sinless. Unless , you consider God's rules sin or evil. If Jesus broke the law or taught other to do so, he breaks the law and is therefore sinful, no longer a sinless sacrifice.
You seem to have lost track of the issue we were discussing:

Jesus defined a new Law and the Prophets with the following:
Matthew 22
37And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38“This is the great and foremost commandment. 39“The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ 40“On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.�
Matthew 7
12“In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Jesus delivered the New Covenant in the gospel the He preached during His ministry and defined a new foundation for the Law and the Prophets as above. It isn't about "following His example". It's about "abiding in His word" and becoming one with God as He was one with God.

It's really simple: New Covenant = new agreement = new Law and the Prophets.

According to Jesus, the foundation for the new Law and the Prophets is as stated in the quoted verses above.

Your response proves my point. Breaking the law whether by eating unclean or murdering is the same. Breaking God's law is Sin. That is very definition of sin. Should we sin so that grace abound?

With the New Covenent, Jesus redefined what is and is not "God's law" and therefore "sin".

Nope. I would point out again , we can eat all things. We just shouldn't if we follow God.

Jesus never changed God's law. He could not. He was the law. The word made flesh. In his own words, he stated he could only do as God instructed.

So, if christ instructs defernately than God, he is a false prophet. Every one talks about this new covenant and none can define it. Jesus NEVER claimed to bring new law from God. He did summarize it as many Hebrews did, This does not negate God's law. Never will you find Jesus negating God. Isn't that interesting?

Never will you find Jesus negating God. Isn't that interesting
This is only true if one refuses to acknowledge passages such as Mark 7:14-19 exist. Isn't that interesting?

The fact remains that Jesus said what He said and it flies in the face of your concept.


In his own words, he stated he could only do as God instructed.
That's right. "I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me." John 12

And Jesus spoke just as God to Him what He said what He said in Mark 7:14-19. As such, it was God, speaking through Jesus, who redefined the Law and the Prophets.

Your concept doesn't hold water.