Trumpism and Inerrancy??

[gadfly]

It doesn't seem like this subforum is used much, based on the dates of more recent activity.

I want to explore a possible relationship between Trumpism (and Trumpists) and the theory of biblical inerrancy. Has the latter paved the way for the former?

Inerrancy maintains that every indicative in the bible is true and at face value. So if the bible says the world was created in six days, then it was. If science tells us it is not, then true faith consists in siding with the bible no matter the evidence against it. Indeed, the more wrong the bible appears to be, the greater value is our faith by doubling, tripling, quadrupling, down.

We see a similar pattern in the ranks of trumpists--the more insane trump appears to be, the dumber the things he says (stop hurricanes with nuclear missiles) the more fervent trumpsters become in their near religious loyalty to the man.

Is there a logical (or historical) relation?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #10]

Darius, also called (Cyaxares 2)

From my second source in post #9:

Cyaxares II is a historical figure who is mentioned in ancient sources, particularly in relation to the Median Empire and its rulers. However, the information available about Cyaxares II is limited, and there is some uncertainty and debate among historians regarding his identity and reign.

If there is any source outside the book of Daniel which refers to Cyaxares II as "Darius" or vice-versa, please provide it.

There was also another King in Persia named Darius who ruled from 521 to 486 B.C.

Again from my second source:

Daniel’s author(s) clearly did mean Darius the Great, as they describe his division of Persia into provinces called satrapies, each under the care of a provincial governor called a satrap (Daniel 6:1-4), even though here again there is confusion: contemporary records show that Cyrus actually created the satrap system; Darius only reformed its organization, though in result was often mis-credited by outside observers as “creating” it (nevertheless a mistake no contemporary official of his court would make); and Daniel incorrectly says he created “120” satrapies, when in fact it was only twenty or so (in the Behistun Inscription, Darius declares his rule extended over 23 provinces; according to Herodotus, it was 20; and though some sources claim as much as 36, that’s still nowhere near “120”).

So, the year 457 B.C. gives us a starting point for the 490-year prophecy found in Daniel 9:24-25. In Verse 25, we find the key to the prophecy. “Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandments to restore, and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks (483 years).”

From my third source in post #9:

First, the King James Version puts a definite article before "Messiah the Prince" (9:25). |The original Hebrew text does not read "the Messiah the Prince," but, having no article, |it is to be rendered "a mashiach ["anointed one," "messiah"], a prince," i.e., Cyrus |(Isaiah 45:1, 13; Ezra 1:1-2).

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #10]

Darius, also called (Cyaxares 2)

From my second source in post #9:

Cyaxares II is a historical figure who is mentioned in ancient sources, particularly in relation to the Median Empire and its rulers. However, the information available about Cyaxares II is limited, and there is some uncertainty and debate among historians regarding his identity and reign.

If there is any source outside the book of Daniel which refers to Cyaxares II as "Darius" or vice-versa, please provide it.

There was also another King in Persia named Darius who ruled from 521 to 486 B.C.

Again from my second source:

Daniel’s author(s) clearly did mean Darius the Great, as they describe his division of Persia into provinces called satrapies, each under the care of a provincial governor called a satrap (Daniel 6:1-4), even though here again there is confusion: contemporary records show that Cyrus actually created the satrap system; Darius only reformed its organization, though in result was often mis-credited by outside observers as “creating” it (nevertheless a mistake no contemporary official of his court would make); and Daniel incorrectly says he created “120” satrapies, when in fact it was only twenty or so (in the Behistun Inscription, Darius declares his rule extended over 23 provinces; according to Herodotus, it was 20; and though some sources claim as much as 36, that’s still nowhere near “120”).

So, the year 457 B.C. gives us a starting point for the 490-year prophecy found in Daniel 9:24-25. In Verse 25, we find the key to the prophecy. “Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandments to restore, and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks (483 years).”

From my third source in post #9:

First, the King James Version puts a definite article before "Messiah the Prince" (9:25). |The original Hebrew text does not read "the Messiah the Prince," but, having no article, |it is to be rendered "a mashiach ["anointed one," "messiah"], a prince," i.e., Cyrus |(Isaiah 45:1, 13; Ezra 1:1-2).

I have put all my trust in the scholars of the K.J.B., and men like Erasmus, and the tens of thousands of other theologians and linguists who agree with the words and punctuation marks found in the K.J.B. Who am I to disagree? Most of today's scholars are a joke, two and three-year college kids who study languages and think they know it all. As for these so-called scholars, most are only interested in selling books.

A second source is Xenophon’s Cyropaedia, Check it out on the internet. So, we have two sources, that's good enough for me. One more thing, I would trust the Bible if it were the only source, but that's me.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #12]

Most of today's scholars are a joke, two and three-year college kids who study languages and think they know it all.

Meet a couple of my "two and three-year college kid" sources:

One is Rabbi Bentzion Kravitz----

"Kravitz earned his degree from the Rabbinical College of America, became a rabbi and started Jews for Judaism, which works to prevent Jews from leaving their religion and instead connect or reconnect with it."
https://jewishjournal.com/community/345 ... o-judaism/

Another is Julius Ciss----
https://jewsforjudaism.org/staff/julius-ciss

I have put all my trust in the scholars of the K.J.B., and men like Erasmus, and the tens of thousands of other theologians and linguists who agree with the words and punctuation marks found in the K.J.B. Who am I to disagree?

Christian editors rearranged the order of the books in the Jewish Bible to make it look like the Malachi threat to "smite the earth with a curse" was the last word before Jesus (the Jewish Bible is divided into the Torah, the Prophets and the Writings, so it actually ends with II Chronicles). How trustworthy was that?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #12]

Most of today's scholars are a joke, two and three-year college kids who study languages and think they know it all.

Meet a couple of my "two and three-year college kid" sources:

One is Rabbi Bentzion Kravitz----

"Kravitz earned his degree from the Rabbinical College of America, became a rabbi and started Jews for Judaism, which works to prevent Jews from leaving their religion and instead connect or reconnect with it."
https://jewishjournal.com/community/345 ... o-judaism/

Another is Julius Ciss----
https://jewsforjudaism.org/staff/julius-ciss

I said, "Most, not All!"

I have put all my trust in the scholars of the K.J.B., and men like Erasmus, and the tens of thousands of other theologians and linguists who agree with the words and punctuation marks found in the K.J.B. Who am I to disagree?

Christian editors rearranged the order of the books in the Jewish Bible to make it look like the Malachi threat to "smite the earth with a curse" was the last word before Jesus (the Jewish Bible is divided into the Torah, the Prophets and the Writings, so it actually ends with II Chronicles). How trustworthy was that?

I agree with what you say, but where do we meet? Where do the crossroads intersect? If a Jew or anyone else is a scholar, a master of the first 5 books of the Bible, but rejects the rest of the Old Testament, he hasn't gone far enough. And if you take a Rabbi or anyone else and he masters the Old Testament right up to the end of Malachi, but rejects the New, he hasn't gone far enough. The New and Old Testaments are the oracles of God put in the hands of Jewish men who finished the story. "All Scripture is God breathed." As for me, the story begins in Genesis 1:1 and ends in Revelation 22:21. By the way, the book of Daniel is my favorite book, he was a great prophet of God, faithful to the end, and inspiring!

Personally, I love the Jews, and the history that has followed them from Abraham to this very day. Thanks for your comments, Interesting!