"Protecting abortion access is a Catholic Value"

[Elijah John]

I just saw a protesters sign reading:

Protecting abortion access is a Catholic value".

Really? How so?

Is that the official policy of the RCC now? Prove it.

Sounds to me this is more of a case of false witness or scandal. Wishful thinking at best.

Should the holder of this sign be excommunicated? Or are they automatically excommunicated?

[Tcg]

Yes, if the RCC enforces this, they may loose some members. But I doubt very many.

From what I've read, they'd lose close to half. That half considers themselves both Catholic and Pro-Choice. Half, give or take a few, would certainly qualify as many.


Tcg

[Elijah John]

Yes, if the RCC enforces this, they may loose some members. But I doubt very many.

From what I've read, they'd lose close to half. That half considers themselves both Catholic and Pro-Choice. Half, give or take a few, would certainly qualify as many.


Tcg

What is your source please. But if that is true, it sure would account for why pro-choice politicians keep winning in heavily Catholic states, such as Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, Connecticut, etc, etc.

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 11 by Elijah John]

From Pew Research Center:

• Views about abortion among Catholics
  
  Survey yr Legal in all/most cases Illegal in all/most cases Don't know Sample Sz
  2014 48% 47% 5% 7,202
  2007 48% 45% 7% 8,054
  
  https://www.pewforum.org/religious-land ... -abortion/

Here's more from Catholics for Choice:

• Kansas is home to more than 400,000 Catholics, making up 14% of the state’s population. Decades of polling tells us that a solid majority of Catholics believe that abortion should be legal in the United States and six in 10 Catholics believe abortion can be a moral choice. And the Catholics in Kansas agree.
  
  https://www.catholicsforchoice.org/issu ... -scr-1613/

Tcg

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 12 by Tcg]

"Catholics for choice" is clearly a biased organization. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 12 by Tcg]

"Catholics for choice" is clearly a biased organization. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

Your inability to trust them is not evidence that their statistics are flawed. Your claim that they are a biased organization is likewise not evidence that they are indeed a biased organization.


Tcg

[sleepyhead]

[Replying to post 6 by Tcg]


And whether or not one agrees on the issue of abortion, I think we all agree that any "club" has a right to make it's own rules, including the RCC. Pro-choice politicians and protesters who call themselves Catholic are not playing by the rules.

Not when the "club" uses scare tactics to keep it's members in line.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 6 by Tcg]


And whether or not one agrees on the issue of abortion, I think we all agree that any "club" has a right to make it's own rules, including the RCC. Pro-choice politicians and protesters who call themselves Catholic are not playing by the rules.

Not when the "club" uses scare tactics to keep it's members in line.

Anyone is free to leave the RCC at anytime, unlike with cults. What scare tactics are you talking about? Examples please.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 12 by Tcg]

"Catholics for choice" is clearly a biased organization. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

Your inability to trust them is not evidence that their statistics are flawed. Your claim that they are a biased organization is likewise not evidence that they are indeed a biased organization.


Tcg

The bias is in the title of their organization. What makes you think there is no confirmation bias in their sampling, their methods or their results? Common sense indicates they have a self-serving interest in the results you have presented. Also, their results differ from Pew. Dramatically. Who are you going to believe?

Your statement here is analogous to believing that Lisa Page and Peter Struck (sp) are unbiased investigators of President Trump when their emails indicate strong negative bias against the President.

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 12 by Tcg]

"Catholics for choice" is clearly a biased organization. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

Your inability to trust them is not evidence that their statistics are flawed. Your claim that they are a biased organization is likewise not evidence that they are indeed a biased organization.


Tcg

What makes you think there is no confirmation bias in their sampling, their methods or their results?

I never made such a claim. You on the other hand claimed there was conformational bias. You'll need to present something more than the title of their organization to support this claim.


Tcg

[sleepyhead]

[Replying to post 6 by Tcg]


And whether or not one agrees on the issue of abortion, I think we all agree that any "club" has a right to make it's own rules, including the RCC. Pro-choice politicians and protesters who call themselves Catholic are not playing by the rules.

Not when the "club" uses scare tactics to keep it's members in line.

Anyone is free to leave the RCC at anytime, unlike with cults. What scare tactics are you talking about? Examples please.

The Catholic church has a long list of Mortal sins even one of which can get you sent to hell if you don't repent. One of which is Leaving the Catholic faith for another religion or practice.