Call no man "Father"

[Elijah John]

Jesus said for us to "call no man Father". Was he being literal? Or poetic, employing hyperbole in order to make a point.

If literal, was Jesus a radical? If folks disregard Jesus' command in this regard, is that sin?

If literal, how does Jesus' command square with the commandment to honor one's father and mother?

If poetic, please demonstrate that Jesus was not being literal in this case.

[showme]

[Replying to showme]

Showme, who gave you your Bible? I assume you do not believe it fell from the sky. So who compiled the Bible you use?

And by what authority do you interpret it as you do? Sincere truth seeking Christians do not share your take. Who is right and how do you know?

There is one teacher (Matthew 23:8). Yeshua said he must leave to send the Comforter. The "Comforter" in the form of the anointing, teaches you all things (1 John 2:27) As for "truth seeking Christians", apparently, they were "deceived" on the way by the "beast with two horns like a lamb", Constantine, the Roman emperor who instituted your universal "Christian" church. The "Holy Spirit" will remind you of everything I have said to you" (John 14:26). Not is as your case, remind you of everything the false prophet has said. Apparently, you read the wrong sign, and are on the "broad" "way", along with the "many" (Matthew 7:13). As for who gave me my bible, it was a lost child of God, who was provided stumbling blocks from your "Christian" church, and I suspect, has not recovered to this day. The good point is that, as we are at the "end of the age", all "stumbling blocks" will be removed (Matthew 13:41). But wait, that is when the "tares" will be removed also.


1 John 2:27 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
27 Christ gave you a special gift. You still have this gift in you. So you don’t need anyone to teach you. The gift he gave you teaches you about everything. It is a true gift, not a false one. So continue to live in Christ, as his gift taught you.

Isaiah 49:10
They will not be hungry or thirsty. The hot sun and wind will not hurt them. Their Comforter will lead them. He will lead them by springs of water.

John 14:26 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

[ttruscott]

You seem to make the most common of "Christian" mistakes, and quote the false prophet Paul, and say it was a message from "Christ". This type of double mindedness, only leads to mental instability. A bad road to go down.

This is the Theology Forum where the Bible is accepted as a true witness...you are not in it, Paul is as a spokesman.

Somewhere it is written: CAST NOT THE FIRST STONE OF MENTAL INSTABILITY...

[RightReason]

[Replying to post 11 by showme]

1 John 2:27 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
27 Christ gave you a special gift. You still have this gift in you. So you don’t need anyone to teach you.

So why did Jesus say, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations�, “He who hears you, hears me�? We are told in the Bible that if there are disputes among you, you are to take it to the Church. Soooo . . . looks like Jesus wasn’t big on private interpretation and in fact did establish an authoritative church.

[showme]

[Replying to post 11 by showme]

1 John 2:27 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
27 Christ gave you a special gift. You still have this gift in you. So you don’t need anyone to teach you.

So why did Jesus say, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations�, “He who hears you, hears me�? We are told in the Bible that if there are disputes among you, you are to take it to the Church. Soooo . . . looks like Jesus wasn’t big on private interpretation and in fact did establish an authoritative church.

I have to assume that you are misquoting from Matthew 28:19, which was not found in earliest editions of Matthew. What was found in the earliest editions was "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles" (Matthew 10:5). As for your apparent misquoting of the false prophet Paul, per 1 Corinthians 6:1, well, that is a quote from the false prophet Paul, and not Yeshua. Yeshua said if you have a problem with your neighbor, go to your neighbor, before you even think about going to God. (Matthew 5:24) It might be helpful if you differentiate your quotes between Yeshua and Paul. A chapter and verse might help both you and the reader. "My Servant Israel" is to be a light to the nations (Isaiah 49:6), not the "flock doomed to slaughter", the Gentile church (Zechariah 11:7), which was built on the foundation of the false prophet Paul, and the "worthless shepherd", Peter. (Zechariah 11:7 & 10 & 17).

Matthew 28:18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.�…

Isaiah 49:3 He said to Me, “You are My Servant, Israel,
In Whom I will show My glory.�
4But I said, “I have toiled in vain,
I have spent My strength for nothing and vanity;
Yet surely the justice due to Me is with the LORD,
And My reward with My God.�

:5 And now says the LORD, who formed Me from the womb to be His Servant,
To bring Jacob back to Him, so that Israel might be gathered to Him
(For I am honored in the sight of the LORD,
And My God is My strength),

6 He says, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also make You a light of the nations
So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.�


New American Standard Bible 1 Corinthians 6:1
Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints?

[RightReason]

[Replying to post 14 by showme]

I have to assume that you are misquoting from Matthew 28:19, which was not found in earliest editions of Matthew.

LOL! Again I will ask you who gave you the Bible that you accept? By whose authority do you dismiss certain writings and accept others?

As for the rest of your post in responding to my inquiry wondering why you would say, “So you don’t need anyone to teach you� when Scripture clearly shows Jesus saying, “Go therefore and teach all nations� you never answered or addressed the contradiction. You simply reposted Scripture of Jesus instructing His Disciples to teach.

[showme]

[Replying to post 14 by showme]

I have to assume that you are misquoting from Matthew 28:19, which was not found in earliest editions of Matthew.

LOL! Again I will ask you who gave you the Bible that you accept? By whose authority do you dismiss certain writings and accept others?

As for the rest of your post in responding to my inquiry wondering why you would say, “So you don’t need anyone to teach you� when Scripture clearly shows Jesus saying, “Go therefore and teach all nations� you never answered or addressed the contradiction. You simply reposted Scripture of Jesus instructing His Disciples to teach.

I was given a bible, which contained the NT, which is a combination of the tare seed and the wheat seed (Matthew 13), by a child of God who had stumbled due to teachers, such as yourself and Peter (Matthew 16:23) & (Matthew 18:6), and she wound up going to hell, such as in going to New Jerseiy. When the "stumbling blocks" which are being removed, as this is the "end of the age" (Matthew 13:41), hopefully she can leave the hell of living in New Jersey.

New American Standard Bible Mt 18:6
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

[RightReason]

[Replying to showme]

I was given a bible, which contained the NT, which is a combination of the tare seed and the wheat seed (Matthew 13), by a child of God who had stumbled due to teachers, such as yourself

Where do you think the original Bible your friend gave you came from? Who compiled it? Why would you accept some of it and not all of it? How can you be so sure you are discerning the wheat from the chaff? Christ’s Church existed prior to the Bible. In fact, it was His Church as to why you have the Bible from which you quote. You accepted her authority in giving you the parts of the Bible you cite throughout the forum already breaking your own rule.

[showme]

[Replying to showme]

I was given a bible, which contained the NT, which is a combination of the tare seed and the wheat seed (Matthew 13), by a child of God who had stumbled due to teachers, such as yourself

Where do you think the original Bible your friend gave you came from? Who compiled it? Why would you accept some of it and not all of it? How can you be so sure you are discerning the wheat from the chaff? Christ’s Church existed prior to the Bible. In fact, it was His Church as to why you have the Bible from which you quote. You accepted her authority in giving you the parts of the Bible you cite throughout the forum already breaking your own rule.

One must separate the wheat from the chaff. The original canon, commonly used, comes from the Roman church, in the form of a festal Easter day letter, a letter written for the feast day of the Roman goddess Astarte, in the year 367 A.D. by one of the proponents of the trinity abomination, Athanasius. Why would one accept the tare seed, which includes "lawlessness" (Matthew 13:41), such as the false gospel of grace/cross. As for the early church, which was before the tare church of Paul, they used the Law and the prophets, using the light of the testimony of Yeshua as a light for understanding. The authority of the daughters of Babylon comes from the "beast" on whom she "sits" (Revelation 17:3) and the authority of the "beast" comes from the "dragon" (Revelation 13:4 & 17:1-5). And exactly what rules am I breaking? Is it a rule not to know the "enemy" (Matthew 13:25)?

[showme]

You seem to make the most common of "Christian" mistakes, and quote the false prophet Paul, and say it was a message from "Christ". This type of double mindedness, only leads to mental instability. A bad road to go down.

This is the Theology Forum where the Bible is accepted as a true witness...you are not in it, Paul is as a spokesman.

Somewhere it is written: CAST NOT THE FIRST STONE OF MENTAL INSTABILITY...

This is a "Debating Christianity & Religion" forum. The NT is a witness, both for justification and judgment, (Matthew 12:37) and there is not just one bible, and one canon. Paul's own words condemn him. According to James 1:8, a double minded man is "unstable in all his ways". The epitome of doublemindedness is Romans 7:25, the path of the unstable.

James 1:8
“A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.�

New American Standard Bible Matthew 12:37
"For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."