Is the Jehovah Witness Religion a Christian Religion?

[polonius]

Do Jehovah Witnesses consider Jesus Christ to be God? If so, does it maintain that there are two divine persons? God and Jesus Christ?

Are both God and Jesus eternal and coequal?

[tam]

Peace to you,

Have you never, in your entire life of being a Christian been wrong on a matter of faith or bible understanding?

Yes, having listened to someone (including my own self) instead of to my Lord, or having not tested the inspired expression as my Lord has instructed me to do.

So you believed falsehoods, you spoke in error (even if it were only to yourslef) ...are you not askjng us "how can you claim to be a servant of God if you have taught what is false!?" Yet You here admit You have done the same! You were wrong once you may be wrong again. You might even be wrong on the matter of who is "speaking" to you.

I'm not saying you are, I'm not saying you aren't... but you have been right about some things and wrong about some things. We have have been right about some things and wrong about some things. The only difference is you claim to be the mouthpiece through which Almighty God himself speaks his infallible truths through divine revelation.

Neither Jehovahs Witnesses nor the Pope of Rome dares go to that far!

There are two sources of where Jehovah's Witnesses get the whole 'the truth' idea.

First:
3 John 2-4 says, "Beloved one, I pray that in all things you continue to prosper and enjoy good health, just as you are now prospering. For I rejoiced very much when brothers came and bore witness about the truth you hold, as you go on walking in the truth. No greater joy do I have than this: that I should hear that my children go on walking in the truth."

1 John 1:6. says that one will or will not 'practice the truth'.

Second:
The other source for the saying is a very popular book that was published 40 years ago called "The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life".

Hmm.


The Truth WHO leads to eternal life is Christ.

It was known as 'The Truth Book'. Many people learned 'the Truth' using that book as a study aid. It seems 'the Truth' had a nice ring to it and many JWs today use that term to describe their religion.

Replacing truth then with traditions and (untrue) sayings of men... and why? Because 'the truth' has a nice ring to it?


The Truth is not a religion.

The Truth is Christ.


"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life."


If one is walking in the Truth, that one is walking in CHRIST.

Though in reality, any true Jehovah's Witnesses knows we are not source of truth but that we walk in the truth. What is the truth? Jesus speaking about the his Father said, “Your word is truth.� (John 17:17)

Indeed, God's Word is the Truth. But the Word of God is Christ (who is also the Truth).

Witnesses see this as the Bible, not ourselves. We as Witnesses who have been 'Walking in truth' or to the best of our ability, have shortened 'walking in truth' over the years to staying in 'the Truth'. Many religions claim to walk in the word of God, the Bible, but in my research Jehovah's Witnesses as a group is the only one I have found that are diligently trying their hardest to 'walk in truth'.

John 5:39, 40


People keep looking to the Bible as the Word of God; as the Truth. But Christ is the Word of God; Christ is the Truth; and Christ is the One to whom God said to listen.

Christ is the Truth who sets us free.


First He says this (John 8:32):

“If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.�

Then He confirms just who that truth is in verse 36:

33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?�

34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

So in short it is not the people that are the truth, it what the people are walking in or following that is the truth. JWs don't own it they don't cause to become truth. They have however in my opinion found it and strive to walk in it. Should a person say, JWs are the truth to another person that is not a JW? Probably not,

It would be a lie, regardless of who they are saying it TO. So I guess it depends upon whether a person cares about the truth or not.

but when a fellow JW says it to me I know what they mean. It used to stumble me years ago, Witnesses saying they are the truth.

Christ did say that He was the stumbling stone. You joined the JW's despite them speaking this lie; claiming themselves to be the truth (a lie - and is that not ironic), when it is Christ who is the Truth. This is not even meat, this is milk.

But it doesn't stumble me anymore

Perhaps because you already stumbled? Because you already overlooked and accepted this untrue saying as just fine, as commonplace, as tradition?

(thankfully, someone who has stumbled can still get back up, even if they have been broken - who better to heal them than Christ Himself, if they would but turn to HIM. Matt 13:15)

Timothy - please know that I am not judging your or your loved ones - but how can a servant of the Truth turn around and say that they themselves are the truth? Tradition or no tradition - this is a lie! Servants OF the Truth bear witness to the Truth: to Christ.

Is truth not important to a servant OF the Truth?


What kind of worshipers does the Father desire?

John 4:23

once I studied the Bible and understood what walking in truth meant. Staying in the truth is not so much staying in the JW religion but walking in the truth of the Bible. Which, if one is walking in the truth of the Bible they will find themselves walking with Jehovah's Witnesses.

The Truth (including the truth that the scriptures testified TO) is Christ.

Staying (or remaining) in the Truth is to stay (or remain) in Christ.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[onewithhim]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

[Replying to post 159 by tam]

JWs DO listen to Christ. How can you say we do not?

I'm sorry, but what words of mine from post 159 are you referring to here?

You admonish Jehovah's Witnesses to "Listen to Christ!"


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I do not think you are following the line of conversation.

Indeed I have been following the line of conversation. I answered you truthfully, according to the conversation.



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[JehovahsWitness]

I asked how you can say you have the truth when you teach some truth and some falsehood.

How can YOU teach some truth with some falsehood?

Teaching a falsehood is teaching what you know or has been proven to be false. We have never taught what we know to be false. You admit you have made errors, which means you have taught what we erroroneously believed to be true. You have done the same and may well be doing so now. So... Have you taught falsehoods? Yes or no. If no, neither have we. If yes, what is your gripe?

As for your so called "divine revelations", I have no interest in them. The bible is my scripture not your posts; if you want to present a scriptural arguementt as to why having "a governing body" is wrong, or why nobody should say they "have the truth", you may present scripture.



JW


NOTE: If you have something you say to OWH or address something she has written, say it to her she's more than speaking for herself.

[JehovahsWitness]

In all such ways the Watch Tower Society is serving God’s purpose as an efficient legal instrument of his dedicated and anointed servants who are the true channel of communication of Jehovah God today.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1958602

And what scriptural objection do you have to this. Right in this thread you claimed Jesus is speaking (ie communicaating) through you! Are you objecting that others claim the same thing? (See Math 28:19, 20)


Clarification would be appreciated,


JW

[tam]

Peace to you,

I asked how you can say you have the truth when you teach some truth and some falsehood.

How can YOU teach some truth with some falsehood?

I bolded the part from my quote that you just keep missing. Perhaps you might actually answer the question instead of just trying to flip it around on me? As to me, I have already responded (and repeated those responses) in the past few pages. I am not going to continue to repeat myself; anyone can read them if they are so inclined.



I was just going to leave this at that, but there is just one thing more that you said that doesn't seem quite right.

Teaching a falsehood is teaching what you know or has been proven to be false. We have never taught what we know to be false.

So if you believe a falsehood is the truth, and you then teach that falsehood as truth... you are not teaching a falsehood? Are you somehow teaching the truth just because you do not know it is false?


Is that really the logic you are employing here?


So you are saying that people who believe in hell and teach this - they are not teaching falsehood? People who believe in the trinity and teach this - they are not teaching falsehood?



Peace again to you.

[JehovahsWitness]

I asked how you can say you have the truth when you teach some truth and some falsehood.

How can you have truth WHEN you teach some truth and some falsehood? Do you think you are asking something that cannot be applied right back at you? If so why? Why do you think you are immune to the question?


JW

[tam]

Peace to you,

In all such ways the Watch Tower Society is serving God’s purpose as an efficient legal instrument of his dedicated and anointed servants who are the true channel of communication of Jehovah God today.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1958602

And what scriptural objection do you have to this. Right in this thread you claimed Jesus is speaking (ie communicaating) through you! Are you objecting that others claim the same thing? (See Math 28:19, 20)


Clarification would be appreciated,


JW

How do I respond to this strawman? How about you re-read the posts (starting with your accusation and claim in post 174) and then my response in post 177? Nowhere did I ever object to anyone claiming that Christ speaks (to anyone). (though I have not said "Jesus" and I did not say He speaks THROUGH me; I said He speaks TO me - to all of His sheep - indeed to all people though many do not recognize Him).

It is your religion that teaches that Christ is not speaking to today. So how can they be claiming that "Jesus" speaks to them when you have said (and they have said) that Christ does not speak to people?



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[JehovahsWitness]

Your life depends on finding out who today are truly God’s servants that speak his Word and becoming one of them.

Yes, what is the problem here? Gods servants are doing what it is that is required for eternal life, namely ...

JOHN 17:3
This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

If you think someone can get eternal life without doing what is necessary to live you are mistaken. Once you do what the bible requires you will find yourself in spiritual association with others doing the same thing. Or do you believe you alone are on the path to life? (compare Mat 7:13, 14, 1 Pet 5:9).


Anything else?



JW

[tam]

I asked how you can say you have the truth when you teach some truth and some falsehood.

How can you have truth WHEN you teach some truth and some falsehood? Do you think you are asking something that cannot be applied right back at you? If so why? Why do you think you are immune to the question?


JW

A - that was still not my question, but b) because I have not made the claim you are making.


From post 173 (again, I have responded to all of this already):

2 - I have not said "I have the truth". It would not occur to me to say this. Christ is the Truth. He is the One who will lead His people into all truth. So He would be the One who has the truth (and who IS the Truth).

No other person or religion can make those claims.



I could say that I am in the Truth - because Christ is the Truth and I am in Christ.

Peace again to you.

[JehovahsWitness]

I said He speaks TO me - to all of His sheep

Well he's speaking to spirit anointed Jehovahs Witness then. Any objection? The only difference is they are not selfish and they share what he tells them. Do you have a scripture that says if Jesus speaks to someone they should keep it to themselves?

MATTHEW 10:27

What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs.

JW