Should Christians keep the law?

[otseng]

From the thread Keeping the commandments:

Do you keep the law?

Questions for debate:
Should Christians keep the law?
If so, how much of the laws should we keep?

[Tcg]

So its just God's instructions on how to live and eat on this world.

Yes. And if you don't obey the instruction manual, then things can go wrong.

I was thinking about this with the coronavirus outbreak in China. If you eat snakes, then a situation like this can happen where there is a pandemic.

A new coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China, that has claimed 17 lives may have been transmitted to people from snakes, according to a genetic analysis. The snakes may have caught the virus from bats in the food market in which both animals were sold.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... om-snakes/

Not to eat of things that creep upon the earth (Lev. 11:41-42)

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm#Kashrut

[Lev 11:41-42 KJV] And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth [shall be] an abomination; it shall not be eaten. Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon [all] four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they [are] an abomination.

Wuhan was effectively put under quarantine on Wednesday. Now three more nearby metropolises — Huanggang, Ezhou, and Chiba — are shut down as well, The Guardian reports. Along with Wuhan’s 11 million, that brings the total up to about 20 million residents who are now physically isolated from the world.

https://futurism.com/neoscope/china-qua ... s-pandemic

How are we to view the Leviticus 11 passage in light of the instructions Peter received in Acts 11?

• 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision, something like a great sheet descending, being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to me. 6 Looking at it closely, I observed animals and beasts of prey and reptiles and birds of the air. 7 And I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Rise, Peter; kill and eat.’ 8 But I said, ‘By no means, Lord; for nothing common or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ 9 But the voice answered a second time from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, do not call common.’
  
  <bolding mine>

Tcg

If Peter had thought it was about food, he would have said so(even if that crossed his mind, it would have been negated quickly as God never taught against His law).

He did. What else could the phrase, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." be referring to if not food?


Tcg

[brianbbs67]

So its just God's instructions on how to live and eat on this world.

Yes. And if you don't obey the instruction manual, then things can go wrong.

I was thinking about this with the coronavirus outbreak in China. If you eat snakes, then a situation like this can happen where there is a pandemic.

A new coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China, that has claimed 17 lives may have been transmitted to people from snakes, according to a genetic analysis. The snakes may have caught the virus from bats in the food market in which both animals were sold.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... om-snakes/

Not to eat of things that creep upon the earth (Lev. 11:41-42)

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm#Kashrut

[Lev 11:41-42 KJV] And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth [shall be] an abomination; it shall not be eaten. Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon [all] four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they [are] an abomination.

Wuhan was effectively put under quarantine on Wednesday. Now three more nearby metropolises — Huanggang, Ezhou, and Chiba — are shut down as well, The Guardian reports. Along with Wuhan’s 11 million, that brings the total up to about 20 million residents who are now physically isolated from the world.

https://futurism.com/neoscope/china-qua ... s-pandemic

How are we to view the Leviticus 11 passage in light of the instructions Peter received in Acts 11?

• 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision, something like a great sheet descending, being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to me. 6 Looking at it closely, I observed animals and beasts of prey and reptiles and birds of the air. 7 And I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Rise, Peter; kill and eat.’ 8 But I said, ‘By no means, Lord; for nothing common or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ 9 But the voice answered a second time from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, do not call common.’
  
  <bolding mine>

Tcg

If Peter had thought it was about food, he would have said so(even if that crossed his mind, it would have been negated quickly as God never taught against His law).

He did. What else could the phrase, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." be referring to if not food?


Tcg

What else was unclean to Hebrews in that day? Goyim. Peter realized it could not be food or he would have eaten. God never breaks His law to us. Peter knew this a wondered what it could mean.

The next verse shows the answer happened very quickly. Acts 11:11 "At that very moment, three men stood before the house where I was, having been sent to me from Ceasarea"

[Tcg]

So its just God's instructions on how to live and eat on this world.

Yes. And if you don't obey the instruction manual, then things can go wrong.

I was thinking about this with the coronavirus outbreak in China. If you eat snakes, then a situation like this can happen where there is a pandemic.

A new coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China, that has claimed 17 lives may have been transmitted to people from snakes, according to a genetic analysis. The snakes may have caught the virus from bats in the food market in which both animals were sold.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... om-snakes/

Not to eat of things that creep upon the earth (Lev. 11:41-42)

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm#Kashrut

[Lev 11:41-42 KJV] And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth [shall be] an abomination; it shall not be eaten. Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon [all] four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they [are] an abomination.

Wuhan was effectively put under quarantine on Wednesday. Now three more nearby metropolises — Huanggang, Ezhou, and Chiba — are shut down as well, The Guardian reports. Along with Wuhan’s 11 million, that brings the total up to about 20 million residents who are now physically isolated from the world.

https://futurism.com/neoscope/china-qua ... s-pandemic

How are we to view the Leviticus 11 passage in light of the instructions Peter received in Acts 11?

• 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision, something like a great sheet descending, being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to me. 6 Looking at it closely, I observed animals and beasts of prey and reptiles and birds of the air. 7 And I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Rise, Peter; kill and eat.’ 8 But I said, ‘By no means, Lord; for nothing common or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ 9 But the voice answered a second time from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, do not call common.’
  
  <bolding mine>

Tcg

If Peter had thought it was about food, he would have said so(even if that crossed his mind, it would have been negated quickly as God never taught against His law).

He did. What else could the phrase, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." be referring to if not food?


Tcg

What else was unclean to Hebrews in that day? Goyim. Peter realized it could not be food or he would have eaten. God never breaks His law to us. Peter knew this a wondered what it could mean.

The next verse shows the answer happened very quickly. Acts 11:11 "At that very moment, three men stood before the house where I was, having been sent to me from Ceasarea"

You failed to address my question. God commanded Peter to "kill and eat." What else could this refer to other than food?

What happened after God ordered Peter to eat reptiles, among other things, doesn't change the fact that God ordered Peter to "kill and eat" reptiles.


Tcg

[brianbbs67]

So its just God's instructions on how to live and eat on this world.

Yes. And if you don't obey the instruction manual, then things can go wrong.

I was thinking about this with the coronavirus outbreak in China. If you eat snakes, then a situation like this can happen where there is a pandemic.

A new coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China, that has claimed 17 lives may have been transmitted to people from snakes, according to a genetic analysis. The snakes may have caught the virus from bats in the food market in which both animals were sold.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... om-snakes/

Not to eat of things that creep upon the earth (Lev. 11:41-42)

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm#Kashrut

[Lev 11:41-42 KJV] And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth [shall be] an abomination; it shall not be eaten. Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon [all] four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they [are] an abomination.

Wuhan was effectively put under quarantine on Wednesday. Now three more nearby metropolises — Huanggang, Ezhou, and Chiba — are shut down as well, The Guardian reports. Along with Wuhan’s 11 million, that brings the total up to about 20 million residents who are now physically isolated from the world.

https://futurism.com/neoscope/china-qua ... s-pandemic

How are we to view the Leviticus 11 passage in light of the instructions Peter received in Acts 11?

• 5 “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision, something like a great sheet descending, being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to me. 6 Looking at it closely, I observed animals and beasts of prey and reptiles and birds of the air. 7 And I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Rise, Peter; kill and eat.’ 8 But I said, ‘By no means, Lord; for nothing common or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ 9 But the voice answered a second time from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, do not call common.’
  
  <bolding mine>

Tcg

If Peter had thought it was about food, he would have said so(even if that crossed his mind, it would have been negated quickly as God never taught against His law).

He did. What else could the phrase, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." be referring to if not food?


Tcg

What else was unclean to Hebrews in that day? Goyim. Peter realized it could not be food or he would have eaten. God never breaks His law to us. Peter knew this a wondered what it could mean.

The next verse shows the answer happened very quickly. Acts 11:11 "At that very moment, three men stood before the house where I was, having been sent to me from Ceasarea"

You failed to address my question. God commanded Peter to "kill and eat." What else could this refer to other than food?

What happened after God ordered Peter to eat reptiles, among other things, doesn't change the fact that God ordered Peter to "kill and eat" reptiles.


Tcg

Ok, I see that. It was a dream. I guess the next question would be is the God in his dream, God? Maybe the Almighty was testing His pupil? Who knows, it was Peter's dream. I have many vivid dreams. Most don't come to pass. If you had a dream where you thought God told you to kill all the Infidels, would you do it? Or would you reflect and think about what to do, as it was just a dream?

[Elijah John]

According to Judaism, Gentiles are not bound to keep the entire Law, all 613 commandments. Never were. Non-Jews are only required to keep the Noahide Laws, which number 7 in order to become a "righteous Gentile" and "have a portion in the world to come". They are as follows, according to Wikipedia:

The Seven Laws of Noah include prohibitions against worshipping idols, cursing God, murder, adultery and sexual immorality, theft, eating flesh torn from a living animal, as well as the obligation to establish courts of justice.

Absent are ceremonial and ritual purity laws. The laws are ethical and overlap nicely with the Ten Commandments, but of note there is no requirement for Gentiles to "keep the Sabbath". The Sabbath was instituted only for Jews.

They also overlap with the admonitions of Paul, in Spirit if not down to the letter.

So no, neither Christians nor Gentiles in general are required to keep the Law, at least not the whole of it.

[Menotu]

[Replying to post 134 by Elijah John]

neither Christians nor Gentiles in general are required to keep the Law, at least not the whole of it.

Score!
Do they get to choose which ones to keep or not?
And how do they tell which ones to keep or not?

[brianbbs67]

According to Judaism, Gentiles are not bound to keep the entire Law, all 613 commandments. Never were. Non-Jews are only required to keep the Noahide Laws, which number 7 in order to become a "righteous Gentile" and "have a portion in the world to come". They are as follows, according to Wikipedia:

The Seven Laws of Noah include prohibitions against worshipping idols, cursing God, murder, adultery and sexual immorality, theft, eating flesh torn from a living animal, as well as the obligation to establish courts of justice.

Absent are ceremonial and ritual purity laws. The laws are ethical and overlap nicely with the Ten Commandments, but of note there is no requirement for Gentiles to "keep the Sabbath". The Sabbath was instituted only for Jews.

They also overlap with the admonitions of Paul, in Spirit if not down to the letter.

So no, neither Christians nor Gentiles in general are required to keep the Law, at least not the whole of it.

The Noahide laws applied to those who sojourn with Israel as a minimum code of conduct. If one wished to be a partaker in the full covenant and it s' promises, you had to convert and fully follow God's law. Acts 15:21 shows how this worked in the beginning. It was a process as you learned Moses(Torah).

The confusioning ending of 15:24(the whole last phrase was added later)