So is the resurrected Jesus flesh or spirit?

[Red Wolf]

In Luke's gospel Jesus tells his disciples after his resurrection.....
Luke 24:39(King James Version)
39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

I think that this verse is quite definite in saying that the risen Jesus was flesh.
But the Scriptures by the Apostle Paul in 1Corinthians 15 are quite definite that the risen Jesus is spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:45(King James Version)
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:50(King James Version)
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
So is the resurrected Jesus flesh or spirit?
Or is this just more evidence that the Bible is fiction?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 1 by Red Wolf]

I think Jesus was showing the disciples that he was not an apparition, or, a vision of some sort. He was capable of materializing whenever he wished, like the angels who appeared to Abraham and Lot.

Jesus came into the room even though the doors were LOCKED, if you will remember. (John 20:19,26) Flesh can't go through doors, am I right? So this shows that he was spirit. He materialized when necessary.

[onewithhim]

"In Luke's gospel Jesus tells his disciples after his resurrection.....
Luke 24:39(King James Version)
39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

I think that this verse is quite definite in saying that the risen Jesus was flesh.
But the Scriptures by the Apostle Paul in 1Corinthians 15 are quite definite that the risen Jesus is spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:45(King James Version) "

RESPONSE: Acts of the Apostles tells us that Jesus remained on earth for 40 days before his ascension. Paul (not a witness) claims that Jesus was seen by 500 people.

But there is no report from anyone that he was seen by anyone nor is their a report that he "ascended" for 20 years or longer. Does it really seem that no one reported his Resurrection?

Thus is this a creditable bit of history?

It was reported by those who saw him.....Matthew and John and Peter wrote it down eventually, and they had seen him. Why should we doubt them just because most of them reported it much later?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 5 by PinSeeker]

You say that Jesus was "never a spirit" and never will be. Interesting. How do you suppose a physical body of flesh can survive in heaven? Can you even imagine what would happen to flesh in the glorious spirit world---the realm where spirits like God and the angels live? The realm from which God created the sun and the stars? Can you imagine that at all? What would getting near the sun do to a physical body?

Now you say that the Scriptures don't even hint that Jesus was ever a spirit. But Philippians reports that Jesus was in God's form. What is God's form? John 4:24 says clearly that "God is a Spirit." Whoa! Is that a "hint?"

In a letter to Timothy, Jesus is described as "the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see." (I Timothy 6:16) Does that sound like he is in a physical body? No human could see him as he is now!




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[onewithhim]

15;45 is an interesting start on the soul. The Hebrew word is Nephesh in the Tanakh. It literally means dirt plus the breath of God. So we are not a creature with a soul, but a living soul. So, we return to dirt and God's breath returns to Him.

So do we discard the following verse?
Luke 24:39(King James Version)
39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Did it occur to you that other spirit persons have come to earth to visit men---Abraham and Lot, to name two; they were visited by angels, and the angels ate food. They were ANGELS. Yet they materialized physical bodies. Then they de-materialized when they went back to heaven.

Jesus was showing the disciples that he was not some sort of vision or apparition. Did you notice that he came through locked doors?? Hello! Your version of things makes the Scriptures contradict themselves, so it cannot be true. The view that Jesus came through locked doors as a spirit and then materialized a physical body HARMONIZES with all other Scripture.

[onewithhim]

Paul says that 500 brethren at once saw the risen Jesus. Very impressive! I wonder if the story would be twice as believable had he been seen by 1000 brethren at one time. The 500 witnesses does not harmonize with the story of the receiving of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost (Acts chapters 1 and 2) where it is reported that Jesus only had 120 followers who were meeting in the upper room.

Obviously 380 people who saw him didn't go to the upper room.


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[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 23 by onewithhim]

In a letter to Timothy, Jesus is described as "the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see." (I Timothy 6:16) Does that sound like he is in a physical body? No human could see him as he is now!

I think you will find, onewithhim, that Paul was describing, not Jesus, but God the Father!

15 which God will bring about in His own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To Him be honor and might forever. Amen.

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[ttruscott]

So is the resurrected Jesus flesh or spirit?

Yes.

Not every angel has manifested as a sky spirit. We are told they walk among us and visit while we are unaware of it: “Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it� Hebrews 13:2. The obvious reference is to Abraham, whose angelic visitors appeared to him as men, Genesis 18.

But it is obvious also that the spirit controls the body much more than we do allowing it to act in angelic ways of invisibility and movement according to desire, not power.

There is no contradiction in Christ to rest of scripture about spirits and bodies...

[ttruscott]

So we are not a creature with a soul, but a living soul.

I think C. S.Lewis said we are not bodies with a spirit but spirits with bodies... If he didn't, I do. Our spirits came first, then our bodies as we are sown, planted, into the world of mankind, Matt 13:36-39.

[myth-one.com]

So is the resurrected Jesus flesh or spirit?

Jesus was resurrected as flesh but entered heaven as a spirit.

His entering Heaven as a spirit could have been accomplished two ways. Either He was born again of the Spirit as a new spiritual being, or He simply reunited or reclaimed His spiritual body as He existed prior to becoming flesh as Jesus. That is, He is now the Word again, although we often use the names Word and Jesus interchangeably.

Jesus became an heir to everlasting life under the Old Testament -- having lived a sinless life. That is, the wages of sin is death, but He never sinned.

However, if Jesus was allowed to accept His inheritance early and be born again of the Spirit as a new spiritual bodied being, then He cannot also give it freely to humans who accept Him as their Savior.

He cannot both accept His inheritance and also give it to others!

This would also negate His reason and purpose for going through the entire being made flesh process in the first place. That is, man would have no Savior -- thus defeating His purpose of becoming a man.

Thus, He somehow became or rejoined the Word, and things were back to the way they were prior to the Word being made flesh as Jesus.

But with one exception -- He had created a new path to everlasting life for mankind by offering His inheritance to us.

[brianbbs67]

So we are not a creature with a soul, but a living soul.

I think C. S.Lewis said we are not bodies with a spirit but spirits with bodies... If he didn't, I do. Our spirits came first, then our bodies as we are sown, planted, into the world of mankind, Matt 13:36-39.

I would say yes, as God's breath was definately first. Whether we were us at that point, I do not know.