This Generation Will Not Pass Away:

[Overcomer]

Jesus talks about the destruction of the temple and signs of the end times in Matt. 24:1-35:

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?� he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.�

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,� they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?�

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days


“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

[Avoice]

The key verse is verse 25. He is talking about himself.

See, I have told you ahead of time.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 586 by Avoice]

Verse 25 says, "Look! I have forewarned you." What is your point?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 580 by onewithhim]

Please peruse my information and let me know what you think.

Of course the Scripture in question is Matthew 24:34: "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen."

Here is the explanation from what I believe to be inspired by Jesus himself, as he is using his earthly Watchtower organization to dispense spiritual food at the proper time (Matt. 24:45):

We understand that in mentioning "this generation," Jesus was referring to TWO GROUPS of anointed Christians. spirit-anointed sons of God.

Folks can continue to say that Jesus was wrong, or they can pay attention to this explanation of Matthew 24:34. Let's not "sleep on as the rest do." (I Thess.5:6)

Jesus was not wrong, and we do need to pay attention.

But to who's explanation?

To that of Jesus in the Gospels.

And yes, let us not sleep on, as some do, but let us be awake and free of illusion.

How then, for starters, do the Gospels describe and define a generation?

May grace and peace be yours.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 580 by onewithhim]

Please peruse my information and let me know what you think.

Of course the Scripture in question is Matthew 24:34: "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen."

Here is the explanation from what I believe to be inspired by Jesus himself, as he is using his earthly Watchtower organization to dispense spiritual food at the proper time (Matt. 24:45):

We understand that in mentioning "this generation," Jesus was referring to TWO GROUPS of anointed Christians. spirit-anointed sons of God.

Folks can continue to say that Jesus was wrong, or they can pay attention to this explanation of Matthew 24:34. Let's not "sleep on as the rest do." (I Thess.5:6)

Jesus was not wrong, and we do need to pay attention.

But to who's explanation?

To that of Jesus in the Gospels.

And yes, let us not sleep on, as some do, but let us be awake and free of illusion.

How then, for starters, do the Gospels describe and define a generation?

May grace and peace be yours.

It doesn't describe a generation.

We have to base our understandings on the entire content of the Scriptures. We know that the Great Tribulation, which he describes in Matthew chapter 24, would come "in the last days." We know approximately when the "last days" are here by studying many Scriptures, such as Daniel's writings, and Jesus' own indications in his parables.

A generation can include people born in a certain year which overlaps the lives of people born, say, 50 years later. For a time they are part of the same generation. Try to imagine the overlapping.


With this in mind, I ruminated over Numbers 32:13. It says: "So Jehovah's anger blazed against Israel and he made them wander about in the wilderness for 40 years, until all the generation that was doing evil in the eyes of Jehovah came to its end."

Now I reasoned that this "generation that was doing evil" was made up of elderly people as well as young people. They were not all born around the same time, but the young people's lives overlapped the lives of the older people. They ALL made up the "generation" that did evil.

So the "generation" that sees the end of this system of things and sees the start of the Great Tribulation could include those whom the younger ones of the anointed class's lives overlapped with the older ones' lives. It makes sense, especially in the light of the generation of the people spoken about at Numbers 32:13.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 580 by onewithhim]

Please peruse my information and let me know what you think.

Of course the Scripture in question is Matthew 24:34: "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen."

Here is the explanation from what I believe to be inspired by Jesus himself, as he is using his earthly Watchtower organization to dispense spiritual food at the proper time (Matt. 24:45):

We understand that in mentioning "this generation," Jesus was referring to TWO GROUPS of anointed Christians. spirit-anointed sons of God.

Folks can continue to say that Jesus was wrong, or they can pay attention to this explanation of Matthew 24:34. Let's not "sleep on as the rest do." (I Thess.5:6)

Jesus was not wrong, and we do need to pay attention.

But to who's explanation?

To that of Jesus in the Gospels.

And yes, let us not sleep on, as some do, but let us be awake and free of illusion.

How then, for starters, do the Gospels describe and define a generation?

May grace and peace be yours.

]It doesn't describe a generation.

What it does do is define what a generation is, in Matthew 1 and Luke 3.

A genealogy comprises a number of generations. These are specified by naming "the father of", or who someone was "the son of".

We have to base our understandings on the entire content of the Scriptures.

We know that the Great Tribulation, which he describes in Matthew chapter 24, would come "in the last days." We know approximately when the "last days" are here by studying many Scriptures, such as Daniel's writings, and Jesus' own indications in his parables.

A generation can include people born in a certain year which overlaps the lives of people born, say, 50 years later. For a time they are part of the same generation. Try to imagine the overlapping.

I get what the overlapping is. However, it does not fit what a generation is.

With this in mind, I ruminated over Numbers 32:13. It says: "So Jehovah's anger blazed against Israel and he made them wander about in the wilderness for 40 years, until all the generation that was doing evil in the eyes of Jehovah came to its end."


Now I reasoned that this "generation that was doing evil" was made up of elderly people as well as young people. They were not all born around the same time, but the young people's lives overlapped the lives of the older people. They ALL made up the "generation" that did evil.

So the "generation" that sees the end of this system of things and sees the start of the Great Tribulation could include those whom the younger ones of the anointed class's lives overlapped with the older ones' lives. It makes sense, especially in the light of the generation of the people spoken about at Numbers 32:13.

No doubt it makes sense to you, but sorry, not to me in relation to who "this generation" actually is.

May grace and peace be yours.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 580 by onewithhim]

Please peruse my information and let me know what you think.

Of course the Scripture in question is Matthew 24:34: "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen."

Here is the explanation from what I believe to be inspired by Jesus himself, as he is using his earthly Watchtower organization to dispense spiritual food at the proper time (Matt. 24:45):

We understand that in mentioning "this generation," Jesus was referring to TWO GROUPS of anointed Christians. spirit-anointed sons of God.

Folks can continue to say that Jesus was wrong, or they can pay attention to this explanation of Matthew 24:34. Let's not "sleep on as the rest do." (I Thess.5:6)

Jesus was not wrong, and we do need to pay attention.

But to who's explanation?

To that of Jesus in the Gospels.

And yes, let us not sleep on, as some do, but let us be awake and free of illusion.

How then, for starters, do the Gospels describe and define a generation?

May grace and peace be yours.

]It doesn't describe a generation.

What it does do is define what a generation is, in Matthew 1 and Luke 3.

A genealogy comprises a number of generations. These are specified by naming "the father of", or who someone was "the son of".

We have to base our understandings on the entire content of the Scriptures.

We know that the Great Tribulation, which he describes in Matthew chapter 24, would come "in the last days." We know approximately when the "last days" are here by studying many Scriptures, such as Daniel's writings, and Jesus' own indications in his parables.

A generation can include people born in a certain year which overlaps the lives of people born, say, 50 years later. For a time they are part of the same generation. Try to imagine the overlapping.

I get what the overlapping is. However, it does not fit what a generation is.

With this in mind, I ruminated over Numbers 32:13. It says: "So Jehovah's anger blazed against Israel and he made them wander about in the wilderness for 40 years, until all the generation that was doing evil in the eyes of Jehovah came to its end."


Now I reasoned that this "generation that was doing evil" was made up of elderly people as well as young people. They were not all born around the same time, but the young people's lives overlapped the lives of the older people. They ALL made up the "generation" that did evil.

So the "generation" that sees the end of this system of things and sees the start of the Great Tribulation could include those whom the younger ones of the anointed class's lives overlapped with the older ones' lives. It makes sense, especially in the light of the generation of the people spoken about at Numbers 32:13.

No doubt it makes sense to you, but sorry, not to me in relation to who "this generation" actually is.

May grace and peace be yours.

How does Numbers 32:13 not show that a "generation" could include members born 50 years before younger members? There were age groups overlapping in the group of Israelites that had complained about Jehovah. They were not all of the same age bracket. Therefore, the "generation" that would see the beginning and the end of the last days would consist of different age brackets. The best explanation is in my previous post, where I explain the "overlapping," and the same thing is expressed in Numbers.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 580 by onewithhim]

Please peruse my information and let me know what you think.

Of course the Scripture in question is Matthew 24:34: "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen."

Here is the explanation from what I believe to be inspired by Jesus himself, as he is using his earthly Watchtower organization to dispense spiritual food at the proper time (Matt. 24:45):

We understand that in mentioning "this generation," Jesus was referring to TWO GROUPS of anointed Christians. spirit-anointed sons of God.

Folks can continue to say that Jesus was wrong, or they can pay attention to this explanation of Matthew 24:34. Let's not "sleep on as the rest do." (I Thess.5:6)

Jesus was not wrong, and we do need to pay attention.

But to who's explanation?

To that of Jesus in the Gospels.

And yes, let us not sleep on, as some do, but let us be awake and free of illusion.

How then, for starters, do the Gospels describe and define a generation?

May grace and peace be yours.

]It doesn't describe a generation.

What it does do is define what a generation is, in Matthew 1 and Luke 3.

A genealogy comprises a number of generations. These are specified by naming "the father of", or who someone was "the son of".

We have to base our understandings on the entire content of the Scriptures.

We know that the Great Tribulation, which he describes in Matthew chapter 24, would come "in the last days." We know approximately when the "last days" are here by studying many Scriptures, such as Daniel's writings, and Jesus' own indications in his parables.

A generation can include people born in a certain year which overlaps the lives of people born, say, 50 years later. For a time they are part of the same generation. Try to imagine the overlapping.

I get what the overlapping is. However, it does not fit what a generation is.

With this in mind, I ruminated over Numbers 32:13. It says: "So Jehovah's anger blazed against Israel and he made them wander about in the wilderness for 40 years, until all the generation that was doing evil in the eyes of Jehovah came to its end."


Now I reasoned that this "generation that was doing evil" was made up of elderly people as well as young people. They were not all born around the same time, but the young people's lives overlapped the lives of the older people. They ALL made up the "generation" that did evil.

So the "generation" that sees the end of this system of things and sees the start of the Great Tribulation could include those whom the younger ones of the anointed class's lives overlapped with the older ones' lives. It makes sense, especially in the light of the generation of the people spoken about at Numbers 32:13.

No doubt it makes sense to you, but sorry, not to me in relation to who "this generation" actually is.

May grace and peace be yours.

How does Numbers 32:13 not show that a "generation" could include members born 50 years before younger members? There were age groups overlapping in the group of Israelites that had complained about Jehovah. They were not all of the same age bracket. Therefore, the "generation" that would see the beginning and the end of the last days would consist of different age brackets. The best explanation is in my previous post, where I explain the "overlapping," and the same thing is expressed in Numbers.

You may well be right about your use of Numbers 32 in support of overlapping. I was not contesting that use.

Rather, I am advocating closer attention to how Jesus used the word "generation".

Who is, in the Gospels, as you see it, "the father of" "this generation"?

Grace and peace be to you.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 592 by Checkpoint]

Depends which "generation" you're talking about. There can be good generations or bad generations. I think Jesus was talking about a good generation.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 592 by Checkpoint]

Depends which "generation" you're talking about. There can be good generations or bad generations. I think Jesus was talking about a good generation.

Are you saying we are to choose between a good or a bad generation?

If so, bad or good in what sense; by what measurement; on what basis?

Grace and peace to you.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 594 by Checkpoint]

Always by God's measurement.