Was the Exodus fictional?

[polonius]

Is the Old testament fictional regarding the Exodus story?

1. The story begins with Joseph, his faather and his brothers.

2. The Hebrews were supposedly in Egypt for about 400 years.

3. At the time of the Exodus they numbered about 2.4 million, computed from the number of 600 Hebrew soldiers, their wives, children, and men too old or to young to fight.

So evidently Joesph and his brothers were overwhelmed with procreating!

4. And in spite of the number of Hebrews and all the time spent in Egypt, as one archeologisgt put it, they didn't even leave any broken pottery. In short, nothing that showed that 2.4 million had been there.

5. And to make matters worse, Moses l
led them into Canann, a Egyptian terrirtory at that time.

Don't we just love bible stories

[brianbbs67]

How do you explain the chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea in the Gulf of Aqaba?

It wasn't difficult to fact check this claim. The report of chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea was from a satirical news source:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chari ... m-red-sea/

Let this be a lesson in the value of first trying to disprove a claim before publicly endorsing it.

Snopes can't always be trusted. Google chariots at the bottom of the red sea and you will come up with a lot of info.

[bluegreenearth]

How do you explain the chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea in the Gulf of Aqaba?

It wasn't difficult to fact check this claim. The report of chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea was from a satirical news source:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chari ... m-red-sea/

Let this be a lesson in the value of first trying to disprove a claim before publicly endorsing it.

Snopes can't always be trusted. Google chariots at the bottom of the red sea and you will come up with a lot of info.

I Googled it and found the following quote and two more articles debunking the claim:

On August 8, 1996, Joe Zias, Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology with the Israel Antiquities Authority (Jerusalem), issued the following statement:

"Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun, etc. It’s amazing that anyone would believe them…"

https://www.truthorfiction.com/chariot-wheels/

All of the other links that appeared from the Google search were from Christian apologetic websites which are overtly biased and only refer back to Ron Wyatt's debunked claims.

The only thing your linked YouTube video demonstrates is a failure to mitigate for confirmation bias. The link to an article debunking the claims from your YouTube video is provided below:

http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2 ... cy-dr.html

[onewithhim]

How do you explain the chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea in the Gulf of Aqaba?

It wasn't difficult to fact check this claim. The report of chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea was from a satirical news source:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chari ... m-red-sea/

Let this be a lesson in the value of first trying to disprove a claim before publicly endorsing it.

Sorry, I don't buy this. What kind of people make up "news" for people to read? That is irresponsible journalism, to say the least.

How ridiculous!

I have several books related to this story of chariots in the Red Sea, and what I have read is compelling. None of the authors are named in the fake news. It's noteworthy that "a large army" was not reported in my books, rather a scattering of chariot pieces such as wheels and axles, and bones of humans haven't been mentioned in most reports that I am familiar with.
It is also said in the books I have that the authorities that claim the Gulf of Aqaba are not allowing anyone to dive down and procure any artifacts, contrary to what the fake news has said.

So I believe the story about finding some chariot pieces down there. It's sad that some idiots have expanded that report to "a massive army of thousands," and masses of human bones, which my sources have not mentioned. And, as I said, no one has been allowed to bring the chariots to the surface, contrary to what the silly "fake news" has reported.

[bluegreenearth]

How do you explain the chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea in the Gulf of Aqaba?

It wasn't difficult to fact check this claim. The report of chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea was from a satirical news source:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chari ... m-red-sea/

Let this be a lesson in the value of first trying to disprove a claim before publicly endorsing it.

Sorry, I don't buy this. What kind of people make up "news" for people to read? That is irresponsible journalism, to say the least.

How ridiculous!

I have several books related to this story of chariots in the Red Sea, and what I have read is compelling. None of the authors are named in the fake news. It's noteworthy that "a large army" was not reported in my books, rather a scattering of chariot pieces such as wheels and axles, and bones of humans haven't been mentioned in most reports that I am familiar with.
It is also said in the books I have that the authorities that claim the Gulf of Aqaba are not allowing anyone to dive down and procure any artifacts, contrary to what the fake news has said.

So I believe the story about finding some chariot pieces down there. It's sad that some idiots have expanded that report to "a massive army of thousands," and masses of human bones, which my sources have not mentioned. And, as I said, no one has been allowed to bring the chariots to the surface, contrary to what the silly "fake news" has reported.

Please name one of the most compelling books about the chariot wheels in the Red Sea and the author you have in your collection.

[onewithhim]

How do you explain the chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea in the Gulf of Aqaba?

It wasn't difficult to fact check this claim. The report of chariot wheels at the bottom of the Red Sea was from a satirical news source:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chari ... m-red-sea/

Let this be a lesson in the value of first trying to disprove a claim before publicly endorsing it.

Sorry, I don't buy this. What kind of people make up "news" for people to read? That is irresponsible journalism, to say the least.

How ridiculous!

I have several books related to this story of chariots in the Red Sea, and what I have read is compelling. None of the authors are named in the fake news. It's noteworthy that "a large army" was not reported in my books, rather a scattering of chariot pieces such as wheels and axles, and bones of humans haven't been mentioned in most reports that I am familiar with.
It is also said in the books I have that the authorities that claim the Gulf of Aqaba are not allowing anyone to dive down and procure any artifacts, contrary to what the fake news has said.

So I believe the story about finding some chariot pieces down there. It's sad that some idiots have expanded that report to "a massive army of thousands," and masses of human bones, which my sources have not mentioned. And, as I said, no one has been allowed to bring the chariots to the surface, contrary to what the silly "fake news" has reported.

Please name one of the most compelling books about the chariot wheels in the Red Sea and the author you have in your collection.

One of the most compelling books about the chariot wheels is:

The Exodus Case, 2012, by Dr. Lennart Moller. ("Exodus," P.O. Box 540, SE-645, Strangnas, Sweden; www.theexoduscase.org)

Other books I have that show evidence that the traditional Mt. Sinai is not really Mt. Sinai, but it is in Midian, and the crossing is the Gulf of Aqaba:

The True Red Sea Crossing to the True Mt. Sinai, 2008, by Ron Tottingham, PhD, LitD. (Published by Faithful Life Publishers, North Ft. Myers, FL 33903)

The Lost Sea of the Exodus/A modern Geographical Analysis, 2007, by Glen A. Fritz



For centuries people have been looking in the wrong place for the Exodus. I think that if you don't agree with these people, and you haven't read their work yet, go ahead and check out their stuff before concluding they are wrong.

[bluegreenearth]

[Replying to post 75 by onewithhim]

Dr. Lennart Moller is a biologist and not an archaeologist. Nevertheless, the information at the link below refutes Dr. Lennart Moller's claims from his book on Exodus:

http://truthbeknown.com/exoduscasereview.pdf

I'll look into the Mt. Sinai claim shortly and post what I find.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 76 by bluegreenearth]

I read a good part of the article by the author of "Did Moses Exist," and, off the top of my head at this point I have to say 2 or three things:

1) No matter what Moller said, I do not believe that Moses was Tutmoses II or whatever number he was.

2) I also personally believe, regardless of what Moller wrote, that the 10 Plagues were from Jehovah, and they were supernatural.

3) I believe that Israel crossed the Red Sea via the Gulf of Aqaba, and that Mt. Sinai is Jabal al Lawz.

4) I don't care if Moller is a janitor, if he found chariot wheels in the Gulf of Aqaba, I believe that they probably came from Pharaoh's army.


If you haven't looked at the other two references I posted, please do so. They are, at the least, interesting points of view, and, as I said, quite compelling.

[marco]

Is the Old testament fictional regarding the Exodus story?

Egyptologist friends tell me there's not a whisper of it. It doesn't mean it did not take place, as the Egyptians would not necessarily have recorded it, but I think we might have heard a whisper of the Red Sea unfolding like a carpet. Rameses is often given the starring role but we seem to have his remains.