None good but God

[Wootah]

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Question: If there are none good but God how can a not good being pay for my sins?

[Eloi]

Only for idolaters a lamb can be God.

Nobody in heavens thinks the Lamb of God is God. That only happened with the israelites when Moses went up the mountain ... and you know what happened there.

[Tcg]

Only for idolaters a lamb can be God.

How is viewing Jesus as both a symbolic lamb and God idolatry?

Nobody in heavens thinks the Lamb of God is God. That only happened with the israelites when Moses went up the mountain ... and you know what happened there.

How can one know what those in "heavens" think about God?


Tcg

[Eloi]

[PinSeeker]

Peace again to you!

[Replying to post 93 by Wootah]

He clearly differentiated between Himself and God

No He didn't. He said nothing about Himself -- explicitly. Implicitly, He said, "Yes, I am good -- because I, along with the Father, am God. You just don't know what you're really saying/asking." Much like He said on the cross, "Forgive them, Father, because they know not what they do." Except it was more than that; He was pushing the young man to fully realize the import of what he was saying/asking. Whether he did come to realize that or not we know not.

But this is not what Christ said. What you have added here are your own words...

Tam, with all due respect, you're either not understanding or merely refusing to acknowledge the real message Christ is conveying to the young man. We do the same thing quite often -- we say more than we're actually saying in real words... the real import is much larger than what is actually being said. Language -- Hebrew, Greek, or any other tongue -- is not wooden, as some would have it in certain cases, either because they just don't understand or refuse to acknowledge because it doesn't fit the box they want to keep it in. Such is the case here. And of that dichotomy, the latter rather than the former seems to be the case.

Christ is not claiming to be God (the Most Holy One of Israel) in this verse or in any other verse.

Implicitly, He absolutely is.

Grace and peace to you, Tam.

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace again to you!

[Replying to post 93 by Wootah]

He clearly differentiated between Himself and God

No He didn't. He said nothing about Himself -- explicitly. Implicitly, He said, "Yes, I am good -- because I, along with the Father, am God. You just don't know what you're really saying/asking." Much like He said on the cross, "Forgive them, Father, because they know not what they do." Except it was more than that; He was pushing the young man to fully realize the import of what he was saying/asking. Whether he did come to realize that or not we know not.

But this is not what Christ said. What you have added here are your own words...

Tam, with all due respect, you're either not understanding or merely refusing to acknowledge the real message Christ is conveying to the young man.

OR... it isn't the real message, for all the reasons previously stated. Including the fact that Christ did differentiate between Himself and God on numerous occasions.


You seem to be pretty quick to tell someone that they do not understand or that they are refusing to understand what you are claiming to be true... but you have not addressed the argument.

Christ is not claiming to be God (the Most Holy One of Israel) in this verse or in any other verse.

Implicitly, He absolutely is.

You have made it clear that this is your opinion, your belief, but that is about it.

Grace and peace to you, Tam.

And to you as well, Pinseeker.

[tam]

Peace to you!

[Replying to post 98 by Wootah]

Where can I read about this sinful flesh teaching online? Which group teaches that? It sounds gnostic in genesis.

I don't understand, Wootah. What is wrong with reading about it in the verses I shared viewtopic.php?p=988316#988316 and that brian added to in the following post? This may be unfamiliar to you, but I did not make those verse up.

As for the Teacher, Christ Jaheshua is the Teacher we should be listening to, to know the truth of this or any other matter. Were you just hoping to be able to speak with others who may understand this as well, from Him?


It is also not the "gnostic" teaching, if I am correctly understanding what the 'gnostic' teaching is. Didn't they teach that because the flesh is evil, Christ never actually came as a man, as flesh and blood? That He only came in the illusion of flesh and blood? *shrugs* This is an erroneous teaching. What I shared has nothing to do with that.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Wootah]

Only for idolaters a lamb can be God.

How is viewing Jesus as both a symbolic lamb and God idolatry?

Nobody in heavens thinks the Lamb of God is God. That only happened with the israelites when Moses went up the mountain ... and you know what happened there.

How can one know what those in "heavens" think about God?


Tcg

Also if Jesus is not God - the NT is idolatory.

Consider verse 21: Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

He doesn't say follow God. Following a man or a demon or an angel and not God is actual idolatry.

So whilst the conclusion is valid that if Jesus is not God then following him is idolatry - I wouldn't be casting that stone were I a JW.

[marco]

Consider verse 21: Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

He doesn't say follow God. Following a man or a demon or an angel and not God is actual idolatry.

So whilst the conclusion is valid that if Jesus is not God then following him is idolatry - I wouldn't be casting that stone were I a JW.

Idolatry is worshipping not following. Millions follow a particular leader; there are followers of Calvin who are followers in the sense that they follow what he has taught. When Christ invited his disciples to "follow him" he was not displacing the Father: he never did. When he said "I am the way" it meant that what he preached was the correct way to God.

On a lighter note since we are approaching White Christmas season, Bing Crosby and Danny Kaye sing: "We'll follow the old man...." I'm sure they didn't literally see him as God.

[Tcg]

Consider verse 21: Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

He doesn't say follow God. Following a man or a demon or an angel and not God is actual idolatry.

So whilst the conclusion is valid that if Jesus is not God then following him is idolatry - I wouldn't be casting that stone were I a JW.

Idolatry is worshipping not following. Millions follow a particular leader; there are followers of Calvin who are followers in the sense that they follow what he has taught. When Christ invited his disciples to "follow him" he was not displacing the Father: he never did. When he said "I am the way" it meant that what he preached was the correct way to God.

On a lighter note since we are approaching White Christmas season, Bing Crosby and Danny Kaye sing: "We'll follow the old man...." I'm sure they didn't literally see him as God.

I'm not aware of the need to give away all that one owns to follow the teachings of Calvin. Following Jesus required a much greater commitment and promised a much greater reward. Do mere men have the power to grant eternal life and heavenly treasures?

The old man might have ensured success for his boys during war, but he wasn't bold enough to promise heaven for their retirement nor would any expect it. Jesus' promise was fundamentally different and the expectation was that the eternal rewards would far exceed the brief sacrifice.


Tcg

[Eloi]