Scripture Alone is NOT Scriptural!

[Saber Bob]

One of the foundations of the Protestant Revolt (aka "Reformation") was that a Christian only needed a firm knowledge of Holy Scripture as guided by the Holy Spirit. No institution, let alone a corrupt heresy teaching "Church" could override this reliable rule of faith for believers...

But is it really?[/u]

[Divine Insight]

What did Christ say about when you had a disagreement about truth?

How could you have a clue what Christ might have supposedly said about anything without turning to scripture?

In Christian theology scripture is everything. Without scripture there is no Christian theology. And there is no Christ.

[Saber Bob]

[Replying to post 11 by Divine Insight]

If not one word of the NT had been written, the Catholic Church would have infallibily preached the Gospel to.all nation's ( kath-holous, for all, for everybody) and administered the salvific Sacraments.

Jesus said "take it to the Church" before one word of the NT had written, perhaps not for decades to come. Matt 18

[PinSeeker]

[Replying to post 11 by Divine Insight]

If not one word of the NT had been written, the Catholic Church would have infallibily preached the Gospel to.all nation's ( kath-holous, for all, for everybody) and administered the salvific Sacraments.

Jesus said "take it to the Church" before one word of the NT had written, perhaps not for decades to come. Matt 18

The sacraments themselves are not salvific. They are merely outward signs:

• * Baptism adminstered by men is not salvific. Only baptism by the Holy Spirit is effectual unto salvation, but it is a result of God's having called the person out of darkness and into His marvelous light, as Peter puts it -- out of death in sin and into life in Christ. The person is at that moment justified -- declared righteous, imputed the righteousness of Christ -- and baptized by the Spirit. This is the only truly effectual baptism.
  
  * Likewise, communion is a sign and not salvific in and of itself. Necessary and formative, but not salvific. When partaking, we proclaim His death until He comes again, and it is formative in our Christian growth.

Christ Himself is the only Thing truly salvific. We repent and believe. And not just once and for all, but continually. In this way, we call upon His Name and are saved. As Paul says, "...if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

[PinSeeker]

One of the foundations of the Protestant Revolt (aka "Reformation") was that a Christian only needed a firm knowledge of Holy Scripture as guided by the Holy Spirit.

This was not the any sort of teaching coming out of the Reformation at all, much less the "foundation." The teaching was that only Scripture was the actual Word of God and not any other work. It was and is about Scripture, about the Word of God, and not the Christian/believer. To expound:

The Reformation principle of sola Scriptura has to do with the sufficiency of Scripture as our supreme authority in all spiritual matters. Sola Scriptura simply means that all truth necessary for our salvation and spiritual life is taught either explicitly or implicitly in Scripture.It only means -- "only," as if this were a small thing, which it is not -- that everything necessary, everything binding on our consciences, and everything God requires of us is given to us in Scripture. Furthermore, we are forbidden to add to or take away from Scripture. To add to it is to lay on people a burden that God Himself does not intend for them to bear. Scripture is therefore the perfect and only standard of spiritual truth, revealing infallibly all that we must believe in order to be saved and all that we must do in order to glorify God. That -- no more, no less -- is what sola Scriptura means.

Grace and peace to you, Bob.

[Divine Insight]

Jesus said "take it to the Church" before one word of the NT had written, perhaps not for decades to come. Matt 18

How do you know that Jesus said that?

Oh, I see,.... you read it in the scriptures.

I'm afraid your argument is already lost.

[Saber Bob]

[Replying to Divine Insight]

Why the Scriptures are reliable is a different issue, though related.

Hint:i t's NOT "I know the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true"😃

[Saber Bob]

[Replying to post 13 by PinSeeker]

Getting away from the topic, which, put another way, is why put a standard of authority on Scripture that it doesn't claim for itself?

[Eloi]

This is what the Scriptures say:

Gal. 1:6 I marvel that YOU are being so quickly removed from the One who called YOU with Christ’s undeserved kindness over to another sort of good news. 7 But it is not another; only there are certain ones who are causing YOU trouble and wanting to pervert the good news about the Christ. 8 However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to YOU as good news something beyond what we declared to YOU as good news, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said above, I also now say again, Whoever it is that is declaring to YOU as good news something beyond what YOU accepted, let him be accursed.

If anyone, whoever that person is, tries to teach something contrary to what is written, that person is not send by God to teach anything at all ... At the contrary, if anyone does that, the power behind him is trying to teach the opposite of what the spirit of God inspired.

[Saber Bob]

[Replying to Eloi]

So, Paul is referring to Oral Apostolic Tradition as the word of God.

You're right, that wasn't a question.

[Eloi]

[Replying to Saber Bob]
And somehow you think that RCC traditions are "oral apostolic traditions", right?