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Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Question: If there are none good but God how can a not good being pay for my sins?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Angry, me? :D

No, I am not angry at all. I know what the Bible says, and believe me: it has nothing to do with such thing as "God the Son" ... it is about the Son of God:

John 20:31 But these have been written down that YOU may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing, YOU may have life by means of his name.

I don't have any idea about what Bible you are talking about. Everybody knows the dogma of the trinity is alien to the Bible and it was created by the Roman Church. You can go even to Catholic Encyclopedias and check ... of course, if you want to check for the truth. ;)

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Re: None good but God

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[Replying to Eloi]

I think he meant no one is good except God. Literally.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Eloi wrote: No, I am not angry at all.
Well, yes you are. But that's okay.
Eloi wrote: I know what the Bible says...
Well, in most of the cases we're talking about, you know what the New World Translation, which is specifically re-engineered to conform to a preconceived set of beliefs, says. That means... Well, you can figure that out, I'm sure.
Eloi wrote: ...it has nothing to do with such thing as "God the Son" ... it is about the Son of God:
Right, the Son is of God. Born of woman, but of God. Therefore, He is God, the second Person of the triune Godhead, and the Spirit the third. Paul is very clear in Galatians 4:
  • "...when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!â€�"
Eloi wrote: Everybody knows the dogma of the trinity is alien to the Bible...
Those whose eyes are not opened, yes, this is their opinion. As I just said. But not believing in the triune nature of God does not disqualify them as Christians, it just makes them wrong.
Eloi wrote: ... it was created by the Roman Church. You can go even to Catholic Encyclopedias and check ... of course, if you want to check for the truth.
Yeah, Catholics do get some things right... :) But it was there long before they ever came up with it, which means they didn't "come up with it" at all.

Grace and peace to you.

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Re: None good but God

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Eloi wrote: [Replying to Wootah]
Wootah, why do you think Jesus said what he said?

Mark 10:18 Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God."

It looks to me that you are questioning Jesus ... Do you think he said something false? :?:
That's odd; it looks to me like you are questioning Jesus. Would Jehovah's Witnesses say that Jesus was saying He was/is not good? That He was in fact proclaiming Himself to be evil?

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[Replying to post 25 by Eloi]
But in my comments, the texts of the Bible is the only thing that is really important,
Not always. I'm more interested in what you think than what dead men thought.
I'm not going to quote filler of the topic.
I wouldn't call "impertinent" what the Bible says
That's your choice as it's my choice to include (or what) what I think important.
How will someone argue about the interpretation of a text of the Bible if he left it out from a comment about it?
It's not always necessary to include quotes. I've found people like to quote things because it makes them feel good/important/better. Those people are free to entertain that part of themselves, as I'm free not to entertain that.
Do you think that my last comment is supported with what I quoted from the Bible or not?
What I think about how supportive a quote may be is not relevant. I want to know what YOU think. If you want to supply supporting documentation, that's your choice. I, for one, am not going to chastise you for it. But I also don't entertain filler material if it's not necessary.
They didn't go to someone else to ask if what they listened was so ... they went to the Scriptures and check what they listened. That is why the texts of the Scriptures are the most important part of a comment.
I disagree. The most important part of the comment is what you think, not what some dead guy told you to think. At least to me.
Maybe you can find people whom feed off of quotes. I'm not one of them. :)

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[Replying to Eloi]

In this comment I posted something about why Jesus said that, contrasting himself with God ... When he said God he referred to his Father, since HIM is the One he refers to every time he speaks about God ... he never called God himself, and never called God anyone else besides the Father, his God (John 20:17; Rev. 3:12).

Jesus has a very strong concept about what is being GOOD. For Jesus nobody can be really called "good" in the sense the Father is and Jesus knows a lot about the Father to say something like this. In this comment I quote, I cited some others saying of Jesus explaining to what point his Father is GOOD. If he says he is not "good" as the Father is, I understand NOT that he is not good, but he is not the good the Father is.

Jesus does not have to be as good as his Father to be a "good" sacrifice. It is enough with him being RIGHTEOUS. And again, I delineated in the comment I quoted what is the difference between being JUST (RIGHTEOUS) and being GOOD with an illustration.

1 Pet. 3:18 Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead YOU to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.

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Eloi wrote: I understand NOT that he is not good, but he is not the good the Father is.
Yes, I was sure you would respond in this way. There is only one "good" in God's economy; goodness is a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), after all. This is the point Jesus was making in the passage we have been discussing. As He did in many other cases, Jesus was using a penetrating question to push the man to think through the implications of his own words, to understand the concept of Jesus’ goodness and, most especially, the young man’s (and that of mere men in general) lack of goodness,

That Jehovah's Witnesses turn a blind eye to this is, quite frankly, baffling.

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At the contrary: trinitarian believers think that when Jesus talked about God here:

Mark 10:18 Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God."

... he was somehow, and I mean it SOME HOW, HOW COME ... he was talking about an imaginary God the Son ... I don't think that is more reasonable than understanding exactly what he meant. But when people see what is not, nobody can help it, cause they can see whatever they imagine and don't what really is. :study:

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[Replying to post 38 by Eloi]

Let's keep theology out of it.

If no one is good except God how can a not good sacrifice pay for our sins?
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Keeping theology out, as you wish:

Oranges are good, BUT don't eat oranges to avoid diarrhea, eat unripe guavas :D

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