None good but God

[Wootah]

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Question: If there are none good but God how can a not good being pay for my sins?

[Menotu]

[Replying to post 20 by Eloi]

That depends on what is intended when someone is called "god" in the Bible. It is not a secret that in the Bible the word "god" (as we translate it) does not only apply to the Majesty in heaven ... but it is not a secret that the Majesty can only be one person, and that is why that person, Jehovah, is called the God of gods.

I wonder how well known this concept is within Christianity as a whole? I know many Christians (and "christians" or those whom consider themselves Christian but not what I would consider Christian) and not one has ever spoken about this concept to me or in study.
Maybe aspects of Christianity are too....vague...or not understood?
Then it become who is right, these guys or those guys?
This all speaks to a bigger problem within the religion itself, but one step at a time I guess.

[Eloi]

[Replying to Menotu]

Well, Menotu, even if this forum is to debate about Christianity and religion, we Jehovah's witnesses try to talk about what the Bible really teaches. As you can see, my post is supported with some texts of the Bible ... For me is more important to talk about Christ than about "Christianity" ... since even Jesus said there would come a lot of false christs in these days ... but I prefer to focuss in something else to avoid conflicts and not to violate the rules of the forum.

I would like that when someone quotes my comments, include my biblical quotes too ... if you don't mind. Thank you.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 20 by Eloi]

That depends on what is intended when someone is called "god" in the Bible. It is not a secret that in the Bible the word "god" (as we translate it) does not only apply to the Majesty in heaven ... but it is not a secret that the Majesty can only be one person, and that is why that person, Jehovah, is called the God of gods.

I wonder how well known this concept is within Christianity as a whole? I know many Christians (and "christians" or those whom consider themselves Christian but not what I would consider Christian) and not one has ever spoken about this concept to me or in study.
Maybe aspects of Christianity are too....vague...or not understood?
Then it become who is right, these guys or those guys?
This all speaks to a bigger problem within the religion itself, but one step at a time I guess.

Please remember a critical point. Just because the majority of people who call themselves Christian do not believe or teach what Eloi posted, doesn't mean that they are the true Christians. Jesus said, unequivocally, that the majority of those who claimed to follow him were on the road leading to destruction. These are his words:

"Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and FEW are finding it." (Matthew 7:13,14)

No wonder you haven't heard what Eloi posted from any of your "Christian" contacts. Jesus said that his true followers would be "few."

He gave us further warning, saying that not everyone CLAIMING to be his followers would see the Kingdom of the heavens. There would be those who did claim to be Christians but would not be.

"Not everyone saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. MANY will say to me in that day: 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?' And then I will declare to them: 'I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!'" (Matt.7:21-23)


So, apparently Jesus has let us know that the majority would not be the true Christians, and it is evident by observing what they are doing. Are they truly doing God's will? Do they involve themselves with killing (wars, ethnic cleansing, etc.); politics (definitely part of the world that is alienated from God); watering down God's precepts about morality (turning a blind eye to adultery, fornication, etc.) and much more?



FEW are the true followers of Christ.

[Menotu]

[Replying to post 22 by Eloi]

we Jehovah's witnesses try to talk about what the Bible really teaches

How can you be sure you're not wrong? You can take a passage and show it to 3 different people and sometimes have 3 different meanings. Even the gospel can't all agree on details so how can one say they're right and someone else is wrong?

For me is more important to talk about Christ than about "Christianity"

I think if more people took that approach the world would be better.
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.�― Mahatma Gandhi

I would like that when someone quotes my comments, include my biblical quotes too

I would like a lot of things that don't happen
I will quote what & when necessary - no need to waste space with impertinent things

[Eloi]

[Replying to Menotu]
You, Menotu, said

I will quote what & when necessary - no need to waste space with impertinent things

But in my comments, the texts of the Bible is the only thing that is really important, cause is the support of what is said. I wouldn't call "impertinent" what the Bible says ... It is true, one text can be interpreted in different ways, but if you take out a text from a comment, you will not understand how what is said is deducted from the text. How will someone argue about the interpretation of a text of the Bible if he left it out from a comment about it?

Some "Christian" used to sermon, quote texts that are not even related with what they say, and sometimes they even quote texts of the Bible and try to make them look like they have anything to do with what they are saying, when they don't ... We don't sermon, we reason with the Bible ... and it is the task of the reader to see if what is said corresponds with the text that is quoted.

Do you think that my last comment is supported with what I quoted from the Bible or not?

That is the method of the listeners of the Christians in the first century ... nothing new: reasoning with the Scriptures, not just accepting sermons because they come from someone we could trust:

Acts 17:11 Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.

They didn't go to someone else to ask if what they listened was so ... they went to the Scriptures and check what they listened. That is why the texts of the Scriptures are the most important part of a comment.

[Wootah]

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Question: If there are none good but God how can a not good being pay for my sins?

Can someone point me to their post to respond to the topic?

If none are good but God then not God is bad. How can a bad being be a perfect or even adequate sacrifice to pay for our sins?

[Eloi]

[Replying to Wootah]
Wootah, why do you think Jesus said what he said?

Mark 10:18 Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God."

It looks to me that you are questioning Jesus ... Do you think he said something false?

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 27 by Eloi]

I'm not questioning what Jesus said. I believe what he said.

[Eloi]

[Replying to Wootah]

And what do you think he meant if not what he just said?

Some people don't like the clarity with which some things are said in the Bible and try to give them a different interpretative sense when they are absolutely clear and direct. I wonder what you think he meant with those words:

Mark 10:18 Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God."

[PinSeeker]

[Replying to PinSeeker]

I'll tell you what is funny That someone read in the Bible that God is one and His name is Jehovah and still is saying that is a God-trinity ... or that someone read Jesus questioning someone who called him "good" and saying WHY ME, ONLY GOD IS GOOD and still says that somehow what Jesus is saying is that he is himself some kind of God Son ... or that the expression God the Son is totally contrary to the biblical expression the Son of God and still people continue using it with such passion ...

Those things are funny, and still funnier is that people saying these funny things are trying to teach you how God touches people's hearts to help them rectify the wrong ideas.

This forum is fun.

Ah, you're angry. It surely was not my intention to make you so. No, what's funny to me -- but not really funny at all -- is how something can just drip from nearly every page of God's Word and people still can't see it. Then again, that makes sense, as only God can -- in the words of the prophet Isaiah -- open the eyes of the blind, unstop the ears of the deaf, make the lame to leap like a deer, and cause the mute tongue to shout for joy.

At any rate, it's all very humbling. Or, well, it should be, anyway, because for some, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Grace and peace to you, Eloi.