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Avoice · Post by **Avoice** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:45 pm

This court is in session
His Holiness, The God of Israel presides

In the matter of truth vs. lies
We are here to determine the truth of Christianity. The truth does not turn away nor hide from questioning. The truth stands on truth and will stand in the light.

I call a Christian to the witness stand.
(Please be seated)

YES or NO
Does it say "the voice" at Jesus' baptism is the voice of God? Let me be very clear with my question: Do the letters G, O, D appear around the word 'voice?' Or L, O, R, D?
Simple yes or no.
(His Holiness is anxious to hear your answer)

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:57 pm

Avoice wrote: [Replying to post 8 by 2timothy316]

'Our Majestic God spoke these words?'
The King James bible is THEE bible that English speaking Christians elevate as the one from which all other translations come. And it doesn't say "our majestic God spoke these words"
It says:
"For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"
SUCH A VOICE? They are even vague on the vagueness. SUCH a voice?

GOD was added in other translations. TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. That is a theological crime! Putting words in the mouth of God and saying he said it. Unacceptable!! Why stop there? Just rewrite the whole thing and say God said everything?

I'm going to go out a limb here and say you're not familiar what translation entails. There are lots of words that are not in the Greek but added or moved to make sense in English. If you want a word for word translation then don't use the King James Bible use an interlinear translation of the Bible. These Bibles translate without having it make sense in the English vernacular. Here is 2 Peter 1:17 in an interlinear Bible.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_peter/1-17.htm

Here is God speaking. Not a voice from the excellent glory. ( I know excellent glory sounds holy but means nothing)

" I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, [font=Arial]that use their tongues, and say, He saith. [/font]Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD."

SAITH THE LORD..SAITH THE LORD..SAITH THE LORD...
Also you quote a passage that says 'words such as these'

Words such as these? That could mean anything in English or latin or Greek. Or any language you are reading. Depending on what words you are looking at. Words such as these means nothing [font=Impact][/font][font=Comic Sans MS][/font]

However, the scriptures you quote that say, 'saith the lord' is not the voice of 'God speaking' as you say. The very scripture you quoted was not the voice of God but the voice of Jeremiah. Jeremiah 21:1 says, "Jeremiah received the word from Jehovah." Which then Jeremiah relayed to others.

If you say 'Words such as these' means nothing than lets remove them.

"He received honour and glory from God the Father, and out of the wondrous glory [strike]words such as these [/strike]were spoken to Him, "This is My dearly-loved Son, in whom I take delight."

So with the those words removed it's still looks that its God's voice....sooooo next?

Difflugia · Post by **Difflugia** » Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:39 pm

Avoice wrote:'he who sent me'

That is unacceptable. It means nothing.

Unless taken in context of the surrounding paragraphs that were probably written by the same author. Then it means "God."

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:32 pm

I am enjoying this question. We assume God said it. What does the Koine say?

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:41 pm

It seems the translation is only probable. Just highlight the greek.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/3-17.htm

So, truthfully, nothing definite can be learned.

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:09 pm

brianbbs67 wrote: It seems the translation is only probable. Just highlight the greek.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/3-17.htm

So, truthfully, nothing definite can be learned.

I think one thing can definitely be learned. There are only 2 persons being referred to. A son and a person that is well pleased with that son. Who is the son? Who is the one who's voice said "I was well pleased" who is the "I" in that sentence and who is the "me" who the Son is "of"?

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:24 am

[Replying to post 15 by 2timothy316]

Yes, but Theos is not written.

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:52 am

brianbbs67 wrote: [Replying to post 15 by 2timothy316]

Yes, but Theos is not written.

Then in 'son of me', who's the 'me'? Could this be a test of faith? That those that know God, know His voice.

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:53 pm

Avoice wrote: This court is in session
His Holiness, The God of Israel presides

In the matter of truth vs. lies
We are here to determine the truth of Christianity. The truth does not turn away nor hide from questioning. The truth stands on truth and will stand in the light.

I call a Christian to the witness stand.
(Please be seated)

YES or NO
Does it say "the voice" at Jesus' baptism is the voice of God? Let me be very clear with my question: Do the letters G, O, D appear around the word 'voice?' Or L, O, R, D?
Simple yes or no.
(His Holiness is anxious to hear your answer)

No. So what? Who else would it be? Can you please answer that?

It was a voice from heaven. The Holy Spirit came down from God. John the Baptist said that Jesus was the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. He said that "the very One who sent me" (God) said that 'Whoever it is upon whom you see the spirit coming down and remaining, this is the one who baptizes in holy spirit.' John said, " I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one is the Son of God." (John 1:29-34)

Anyone who knows a thing about the Bible knows that this voice surely came from God. What is the point of disputing that?

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:00 pm

2timothy316 wrote:
brianbbs67 wrote: [Replying to post 15 by 2timothy316]

Yes, but Theos is not written.
Then in 'son of me', who's the 'me'? Could this be a test of faith? That those that know God, know His voice.

Oh, I believe it was the voice of Yah. And yes, the sheep know the shepard's voice. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. Christ taught God's word without the traditions of men.

Sojournerofthearth · Post by **Sojournerofthearth** » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:06 pm

No, it could not have been the voice of God. It says only that it came from heaven, so most likely an angel.

And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. (John 5:37)

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