My Lord and my God - Shema Trinity

[Wootah]

Thomas says, "My Lord and my God."

https://biblehub.com/text/john/20-28.htm

What did he mean to claim about Jesus?

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 116 by brianbbs67]

My understanding is that all manuscripts were written with all words constructed of 'capital' letters, and that the miniscules weren't even available until ca. 6th century A.D. Then, I believe, you would find manuscripts copied in all capitals OR copied in all minuscules. Eventually they would be used together as found in modern texts.

Thanks for the reply. It leaves me worrisome about any possibility of a true translation as we have no one from that time to guide us. I can see where believers copied in all Major or all minors as not to add or subtract, where lies truth here? The Tanakh leaves no such vagueness. Makes me even more suspicious.

[PinSeeker]

It leaves me worrisome about any possibility of a true translation as we have no one from that time to guide us.

Oh, but we do. The third Person of the triune Godhead has always been about the work of God, not only in the writing of God's Word but also in maintaining its integrity ever since.

Makes me even more suspicious.

Oh, ye of little faith... But seriously, inadvertent as it may be, think about Who you're really questioning.

Grace and peace to you and anyone else here.

[brianbbs67]

It leaves me worrisome about any possibility of a true translation as we have no one from that time to guide us.

Oh, but we do. The third Person of the triune Godhead has always been about the work of God, not only in the writing of God's Word but also in maintaining its integrity ever since.

Makes me even more suspicious.

Oh, ye of little faith... But seriously, inadvertent as it may be, think about Who you're really questioning.

Grace and peace to you and anyone else here.

Yes , we have God, the Holy Spirit. I question YHVH not, in this. I question man.

[PinSeeker]

Yes , we have God, the Holy Spirit. I question YHVH not, in this. I question man.

Yes, I understand that well. But God is in charge. Therefore, questioning man in the way that you are is, ultimately, questioning God. I know that's not what you mean to be doing, but if you really think about it, that's what you're doing. So stop it.

Grace and peace to you!

[brianbbs67]

Yes , we have God, the Holy Spirit. I question YHVH not, in this. I question man.

Yes, I understand that well. But God is in charge. Therefore, questioning man in the way that you are is, ultimately, questioning God. I know that's not what you mean to be doing, but if you really think about it, that's what you're doing. So stop it.

Grace and peace to you!

Peace to you also. But, God did not author the bible. Man collected it. I do not hold the bible as infallable or inerrant. There are many errors in the book. It is a guide provided by men who claim to have knowledge from God. I believe several do.

I do not worship the bible. I worship God. Let YHVH correct me if I am wrong.

[PinSeeker]

God did not author the bible.

Well, yes, He did, ultimately speaking. But you're welcome to your opinion.

Man collected it.

Well, yes, by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, after men wrote it, also by guidance (inspiration from God) by the Holy Spirit. This has been my point.

I do not hold the bible as infallable or inerrant.

That's too bad. But again, you're welcome to your opinion.

There are many errors in the book.

Nope, not one. Only misunderstandings of men.

It is a guide provided by men who claim to have knowledge from God.

Well, it is written by men who were inspired by -- had God's words breathed into them by -- God via His Holy Spirit.

I believe several do.

So do I. This is called wisdom -- true wisdom, which comes only from God; all else is not really wisdom at all but rather foolishness.

I do not worship the bible.

Neither do I. Christians don't worship a book.

I worship God.

Same here. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Let YHVH correct me if I am wrong.

Amen. Perhaps He's using me to do so. But of course that's His business.

Again, grace and peace to you.

[brianbbs67]

God did not author the bible.

Well, yes, He did, ultimately speaking. But you're welcome to your opinion.

Man collected it.

Well, yes, by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, after men wrote it, also by guidance (inspiration from God) by the Holy Spirit. This has been my point.

I do not hold the bible as infallable or inerrant.

That's too bad. But again, you're welcome to your opinion.

There are many errors in the book.

Nope, not one. Only misunderstandings of men.

It is a guide provided by men who claim to have knowledge from God.

Well, it is written by men who were inspired by -- had God's words breathed into them by -- God via His Holy Spirit.

I believe several do.

So do I. This is called wisdom -- true wisdom, which comes only from God; all else is not really wisdom at all but rather foolishness.

I do not worship the bible.

Neither do I. Christians don't worship a book.

I worship God.

Same here. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Let YHVH correct me if I am wrong.

Amen. Perhaps He's using me to do so. But of course that's His business.

Again, grace and peace to you.

Let's go thru this, when was christ born? 6 BC or 4 AD( or is it 4 BC and 6 AD). Error.

How about the spurious verses KNOWN to have been added later in the NT. Start with Mark 16:9 and 7:9. And then discover the 40-50 others. Then after the NT is settled, one would have to begin with the OT. The Rabbis revised this to eliminate Christ in several places.

Then the big one given by God. Read Duet. 13 as it explains how to test a prophet of God. If they are wrong once, once, they are false. By God's criteria, there is no reason to sanctify scripture(which is an English invention as the Greek says writings). We should reject any thing that is tested to be false.

According to God in the bible, we should reject the whole book for one error.

[PinSeeker]

...According to God in the bible, we should reject the whole book for one error.

There is no error. Only misunderstanding. You are more that welcome to your opinion, Brian. Grace and peace to you.

[brianbbs67]

...According to God in the bible, we should reject the whole book for one error.

There is no error. Only misunderstanding. You are more that welcome to your opinion, Brian. Grace and peace to you.

Grace and peace to you and wisdom. That is the first thing God tells us to pray for way back in the OT. "for wisdom will be like a tree of life unto you." I believe you misunderstand if you think the bible is without error. The scales need to be lifted off the veil over our eyes so that we can know the truth. I have pointed out that the bible gives two time periods for christ's birth. One of them must be wrong. I have shown the added verses to Mark from aproxiamately 140AD. !6:9 to the end. Do you think we should tempt the Lord our God by handling poisonous snakes and drinking poison?

Your rebuttal lacked a rebuttal. Also, man takes Paul's words(as they misunderstand them) over Christ's.

"thus purifying all foods" The end of Mark 7:9 was a marginal note by a copyist that eventually made it into the actual word. That is in error, also. There are many added verses. Most of them do not matter. But, A significant minority do. When we know verses are added with purpose in some cases, what question does that beg??

What words were deleted??

[JehovahsWitness]

Also, man takes Paul's words(as they misunderstand them) over Christ's.

Are you suggesting we can read something in the writings of Paul that contradicts the teachings of Christ? If so what?