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Paul's mental health status.

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The Credibility of Paul

Did Paul have a mental health problem. He certainly contradicts himself and scripture

Paul Galatians chapter 1, 12 " I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ."


Is any reader also having "revelations" like Paul did about 500 people seeing the risen Christ which even the Gospel writers don't report ( Paul didn't join the group until about three years later).

“The book of Hebrews quotes extensively from the Old Testament. Paul, as a Pharisee, would have been familiar with the Scripture in its original Hebrew language. In other letters, Paul either quotes the Masoretic Text (the original Hebrew) or paraphrases it.

However, all of the quotes in this epistle are taken out of the Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament), which is inconsistent with Paul's usage. Finally, Paul was an apostle who claimed to receive his revelations directly from the Lord Jesus (1 Corinthians 11:23; Galatians 1:12). The writer of Hebrews specifically says that he was taught by an apostle (Hebrews 2:3).�


I have a friend that fell off his bicycle and hit his head on the way to Damascus (in Oregon).

He says he's been communicating directly with God ever since.

Should we believe what he says? ;)

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polonius wrote:

I have a friend that fell off his bicycle and hit his head on the way to Damascus (in Oregon).

He says he's been communicating directly with God ever since.

Should we believe what he says?

If what he says falls in line with our own cherished beliefs, then we will welcome your friend as a messenger of truth. Paul writes well and very often we can be seduced by rhetoric. Stephen Fry, who is bipolar, writes brilliantly.

A chance fall may have been all that it took to set Paul's pen on its conversion course. But those who want to believe will read God behind that chance, since God is everywhere, even in Damascus, though today there's little evidence of him there.


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Paul's epilepsy

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I think that it has been strongly suggested that Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was epilepsy

However, nothing in Paul's epistles says anything about the fall in Acts. A little
Pauline fiction???

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polonius wrote: The Credibility of Paul

Did Paul have a mental health problem. He certainly contradicts himself and scripture

Paul Galatians chapter 1, 12 " I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ."


Is any reader also having "revelations" like Paul did about 500 people seeing the risen Christ which even the Gospel writers don't report ( Paul didn't join the group until about three years later).

“The book of Hebrews quotes extensively from the Old Testament. Paul, as a Pharisee, would have been familiar with the Scripture in its original Hebrew language. In other letters, Paul either quotes the Masoretic Text (the original Hebrew) or paraphrases it.

However, all of the quotes in this epistle are taken out of the Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament), which is inconsistent with Paul's usage. Finally, Paul was an apostle who claimed to receive his revelations directly from the Lord Jesus (1 Corinthians 11:23; Galatians 1:12). The writer of Hebrews specifically says that he was taught by an apostle (Hebrews 2:3).�


I have a friend that fell off his bicycle and hit his head on the way to Damascus (in Oregon).

He says he's been communicating directly with God ever since.

Should we believe what he says? ;)
Paul did not write Hebrews.

Apparently somebody forgot to send you the memo, or you ignored or mislaid it.

Should we believe what you say?

Peace.

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marco wrote:
polonius wrote:

I have a friend that fell off his bicycle and hit his head on the way to Damascus (in Oregon).

He says he's been communicating directly with God ever since.

Should we believe what he says?

If what he says falls in line with our own cherished beliefs, then we will welcome your friend as a messenger of truth. Paul writes well and very often we can be seduced by rhetoric. Stephen Fry, who is bipolar, writes brilliantly.

A chance fall may have been all that it took to set Paul's pen on its conversion course. But those who want to believe will read God behind that chance, since God is everywhere, even in Damascus, though today there's little evidence of him there.


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And those who don't want to believe will refuse to read God as being anywhere at all, not even in Damascus.

Peace.

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polonius wrote: I think that it has been strongly suggested that Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was epilepsy

However, nothing in Paul's epistles says anything about the fall in Acts. A little
Pauline fiction???
Pauline fiction?

Pauline facts are what I recognise and appreciate.

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Checkpoint wrote:
polonius wrote: The Credibility of Paul

Did Paul have a mental health problem. He certainly contradicts himself and scripture

Paul Galatians chapter 1, 12 " I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ."


Is any reader also having "revelations" like Paul did about 500 people seeing the risen Christ which even the Gospel writers don't report ( Paul didn't join the group until about three years later).

“The book of Hebrews quotes extensively from the Old Testament. Paul, as a Pharisee, would have been familiar with the Scripture in its original Hebrew language. In other letters, Paul either quotes the Masoretic Text (the original Hebrew) or paraphrases it.

However, all of the quotes in this epistle are taken out of the Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament), which is inconsistent with Paul's usage. Finally, Paul was an apostle who claimed to receive his revelations directly from the Lord Jesus (1 Corinthians 11:23; Galatians 1:12). The writer of Hebrews specifically says that he was taught by an apostle (Hebrews 2:3).�


I have a friend that fell off his bicycle and hit his head on the way to Damascus (in Oregon).

He says he's been communicating directly with God ever since.

Should we believe what he says? ;)
Paul did not write Hebrews.

Apparently somebody forgot to send you the memo, or you ignored or mislaid it.

Should we believe what you say?

Peace.
RESPONSE: You should certainly believe what I say. I never said that Paul wrote Hebrews. In fact, he's credited with 14 epistles, but probably wrote seven or fewer.

Still he quoted usually by those of the fundamentalist persuasion.


An interesting exercise is to compare what Jesus and Paul said on the same subject.

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polonius wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
polonius wrote: The Credibility of Paul

Did Paul have a mental health problem. He certainly contradicts himself and scripture

Paul Galatians chapter 1, 12 " I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ."


Is any reader also having "revelations" like Paul did about 500 people seeing the risen Christ which even the Gospel writers don't report ( Paul didn't join the group until about three years later).

“The book of Hebrews quotes extensively from the Old Testament. Paul, as a Pharisee, would have been familiar with the Scripture in its original Hebrew language. In other letters, Paul either quotes the Masoretic Text (the original Hebrew) or paraphrases it.

However, all of the quotes in this epistle are taken out of the Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament), which is inconsistent with Paul's usage. Finally, Paul was an apostle who claimed to receive his revelations directly from the Lord Jesus (1 Corinthians 11:23; Galatians 1:12). The writer of Hebrews specifically says that he was taught by an apostle (Hebrews 2:3).�


I have a friend that fell off his bicycle and hit his head on the way to Damascus (in Oregon).

He says he's been communicating directly with God ever since.

Should we believe what he says? ;)
Paul did not write Hebrews.

Apparently somebody forgot to send you the memo, or you ignored or mislaid it.

Should we believe what you say?

Peace.
RESPONSE: You should certainly believe what I say. "My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure." Try rereadng my posts on this thread.

I never said that Paul wrote Hebrews. In fact, he's credited with 14 epistles, but probably wrote seven or fewer.

Still he quoted usually by those of the fundamentalist persuasion.


An interesting exercise is to compare what Jesus and Paul said on the same subject.

https://doctrine.org/jesus-vs-paul

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Re: Paul's mental health status.

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polonius wrote:
polonius wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
polonius wrote: The Credibility of Paul

Did Paul have a mental health problem. He certainly contradicts himself and scripture

Paul Galatians chapter 1, 12 " I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ."


Is any reader also having "revelations" like Paul did about 500 people seeing the risen Christ which even the Gospel writers don't report ( Paul didn't join the group until about three years later).

“The book of Hebrews quotes extensively from the Old Testament. Paul, as a Pharisee, would have been familiar with the Scripture in its original Hebrew language. In other letters, Paul either quotes the Masoretic Text (the original Hebrew) or paraphrases it.

However, all of the quotes in this epistle are taken out of the Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament), which is inconsistent with Paul's usage. Finally, Paul was an apostle who claimed to receive his revelations directly from the Lord Jesus (1 Corinthians 11:23; Galatians 1:12). The writer of Hebrews specifically says that he was taught by an apostle (Hebrews 2:3).�


I have a friend that fell off his bicycle and hit his head on the way to Damascus (in Oregon).

He says he's been communicating directly with God ever since.

Should we believe what he says? ;)
Paul did not write Hebrews.

Apparently somebody forgot to send you the memo, or you ignored or mislaid it.

Should we believe what you say?

Peace.
RESPONSE: You should certainly believe what I say. "My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure." Try rereadng my posts on this thread.

I never said that Paul wrote Hebrews. In fact, he's credited with 14 epistles, but probably wrote seven or fewer.

Still he quoted usually by those of the fundamentalist persuasion.


An interesting exercise is to compare what Jesus and Paul said on the same subject.

https://doctrine.org/jesus-vs-paul
Comparisons are part of the stock in trade of those who are of the skeptic persuasion.

They appear to be designed to throw doubt on what those of the fundamentalist persuasion hold onto.

Faith vs doubt and unbelief has always been with us.

Peace.

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polonius wrote:
polonius wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
polonius wrote: The Credibility of Paul

Did Paul have a mental health problem. He certainly contradicts himself and scripture

Paul Galatians chapter 1, 12 " I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ."


Is any reader also having "revelations" like Paul did about 500 people seeing the risen Christ which even the Gospel writers don't report ( Paul didn't join the group until about three years later).

“The book of Hebrews quotes extensively from the Old Testament. Paul, as a Pharisee, would have been familiar with the Scripture in its original Hebrew language. In other letters, Paul either quotes the Masoretic Text (the original Hebrew) or paraphrases it.

However, all of the quotes in this epistle are taken out of the Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament), which is inconsistent with Paul's usage. Finally, Paul was an apostle who claimed to receive his revelations directly from the Lord Jesus (1 Corinthians 11:23; Galatians 1:12). The writer of Hebrews specifically says that he was taught by an apostle (Hebrews 2:3).�


I have a friend that fell off his bicycle and hit his head on the way to Damascus (in Oregon).

He says he's been communicating directly with God ever since.

Should we believe what he says? ;)
Paul did not write Hebrews.

Apparently somebody forgot to send you the memo, or you ignored or mislaid it.

Should we believe what you say?

Peace.
RESPONSE: You should certainly believe what I say. "My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure." Try rereadng my posts on this thread.

I never said that Paul wrote Hebrews. In fact, he's credited with 14 epistles, but probably wrote seven or fewer.

Still he quoted usually by those of the fundamentalist persuasion.


An interesting exercise is to compare what Jesus and Paul said on the same subject.

https://doctrine.org/jesus-vs-paul
That's an interesting read and the writer almost sees the truth. He claims there were 2 different gospels, instead of harmonizing Paul with Christ. If he would have realized that "the way" was a purely Jewish movement that began to welcome Goyim in that wished to repent and be taught Moses and that Paul testestified to only teaching Law and prophets. Acts 15:21

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[Replying to post 19 by brianbbs67]
That's an interesting read and the writer almost sees the truth. He claims there were 2 different gospels, instead of harmonizing Paul with Christ.

If he would have realized that "the way" was a purely Jewish movement that began to welcome Goyim in that wished to repent and be taught Moses and that Paul testestified to only teaching Law and prophets. Acts 15:21
Tell me this, Brian, please.

Just what is this "truth" the writer almost sees?

How do you think Acts 15:21 confirms "and be taught Moses and that Paul testestified to only teaching Law and prophets".

Thanks.

Grace and peace to you.

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